Newbie 1863: Rugby - Game Over

[Not Known 15]

If we failed to read thor correctly and they are town, and I die:
Pressure Nauci, Meji, and Flicker and don't stop until they brought enough evidence and discussion into this game. Until then, do not pressure anyone else. Do not forget the case by thor on oxywhen you have time. Follow the leads of Teacher.

[Oxy]

As long as it's deeper than your analysis of me I'll get excited.

<3 you, too

[Not Known 15]

The whole thing on Thor started with the math exercises

Yes, and then additional evidence was uncovered, even if the math case was exaggerated: The additional evidence still stands.

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 2.07

Oxy (1)Thor665 ,
Nauci (1)Meji Fan ,
Meji Fan (2)Irrelephant11 , Flicker

Thor665 (4)Nauci, Not Known 15, Oxy, teacher L-1

Day two deadline is Wednesday May 9, 9 AM PST. (expired on 2018-05-09 09:00:00)

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

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[Meji Fan]

Fine, point me at what post your awesome reasoning on why Thor is scum is in without resorting to mathemagic is in and I'll reread it

[Not Known 15]

Fine, point me at what post your awesome reasoning on why Thor is scum is in without resorting to mathemagic is in and I'll reread it

No that is not what I will be doing. What

you

will do

right now

is to

read every single post of the game in detail

. Which you should have already done.

[Meji Fan]

I have read them. I've even made posts with post numbers. Later.

[teacher]

Please still dont hammer before Nauci delurks AND I make one post. Im in meeting room for a couple hours.

[Not Known 15]

I have read them. I've even made posts with post numbers. Later.

Then read post 586 again. Including the spoiler.
And most importantly... post more. Show us all your reads on everybody alive. Show us the reasons for your reads. Stop lurking!

[Irrelephant11]

If you're town then either I'm very wrong on Elephant (don't feel it) or Teacher is fakeclaiming (possible, scum knew it was safe).
I find it highly unlikely both scum were off the wagon.
For a theory Elephant partner I'd...I dunno, seems daft. Nauci I guess if I was forced to say a name.
For Teacher I'd tend to expect Flicker or Nauci. Meji would be a daft combo.

Am I mistaken, or does Thor AGREES with the associative case on him. Flipping town!thor clears Meji (as its not in the OXY or ME partner pool). Thus, tomorrow town starts with two lock- or likely- towns in the (NK, Meji, me) pool even if it is a mislynch. Even if Im misreading, this is again Thor trying not to get people to vote Meji.....

I'm not sure I'm of the mind that town Thor

completely

frees Meji to be town? Like yes Meji/Nauci sounds implausible, but couldn't that be the strategy?

I'm gonna go re-read Meji/____ ISOs.

[Thor665]

I'm not sure I'm of the mind that town Thor completely frees Meji to be town?

I would agree. Especially since the connection to me is slim and one sided.

[teacher]

But in Thor's mind it would have, since Meji's only partner could be Nauci AND we know Thor insists there was a scum on the wagon. OR Thor did..... until 685.

[Thor665]

I still think that scum is on the wagon.
But have never said it is an inviolate rule of absolution - that is a spin others are putting into my mouth and then acting derp excited to call it hypocritical.
Learn to read?

[Thor665]

Next thing you'll know I'll have people go from null to town overnight after a flip, and then shift one from town to scum after two role claims.
I'm CrAzY and none of this could possibly make sense![/sarcasm]

[teacher]

@Thor: Then why not vote him??? He is the alternate whom you have scummed before. Oxy is a vanity wagon that is not happening today.

[Thor665]

Because I don't vote for self preservation.
And if me voting Meji would suddenly make me not worth voting and some other wagon happen - then people need to examine the reasons why they're voting me.

[Nauci]

Prod dodge while I mull over replacing out because work is killing me

Will decide tonight

[teacher]

@Thor - in your scum Oxy case, who is Oxy's partner?

[Thor665]

If I had to randomly guess now I'd hazard a Nauci, Flicker, or you.

[teacher]

SO why do you townread meji? (Not in any of your partner lists).

[Thor665]

It's almost as though my lack of voting for him despite scumreading him has validity in my world view.
Shocking.

[teacher]

But why? You have said repeatedly they were scummy. Now I think you are saying they aren’t. Why? What have they done to town themselves. Or why are they not on any scum team? Seriously I feel like I’m missing something.

[Meji Fan]

Okay, teacher 586

First, 586 is not when teacher had their great reveal, which is 511, and is an absolute combination of Mathemagic and NK analysis on the great 'why not elephant' WIFOM

I note in 576 Nauci just votes Thor mid wagon with no particular reasoning
577 teacher wants to vote me for reasons above
Nauci 579-580 discusses the game, but not Thor wagon

Now we get to teacher 586
teacher still likes me, and there case on Thor (now that we have gotten past the Mathemagic) is mostly trying to link me and Thor, if I'm town that is pretty silly, if I'm lock scum why note just vote me? Either way its a silly way to go about Thor

And in 588 I point out that Nauci fits just as well as a friend to Thor as I do (better even, notice that Thor is often Nauci's dance partner in a lot of the day 1 silliness where Nauci posted a ton without doing much useful with it)

And then 589 . . . teacher unvotes?

And teacher says 'will sheep nk'.

I don't have a lot of faith in that case no. Who unvotes from their favored lynch right after they post their case on why it is there favored lynch?

Also Nauci is on the Thor wagon, does not make me happy with it either

Note teacher 611 unvote and 615 vote is based on the possibility theres a Meji-Flicker wagon?

teacher 627 - Meji would be the case without associatives? The associatives work just as well on Nauci

Now, Nauci is voting Thor, but considering the real weak way Nauci is voting Thor it wouldn't be hard for them to turn to someone else if the tide turns away from Thor

[Not Known 15]

Okay, teacher 586

First, 586 is not when teacher had their great reveal, which is 511, and is an absolute combination of Mathemagic and NK analysis on the great 'why not elephant' WIFOM

I note in 576 Nauci just votes Thor mid wagon with no particular reasoning
577 teacher wants to vote me for reasons above
Nauci 579-580 discusses the game, but not Thor wagon

Now we get to teacher 586
teacher still likes me, and there case on Thor (now that we have gotten past the Mathemagic) is mostly trying to link me and Thor, if I'm town that is pretty silly, if I'm lock scum why note just vote me? Either way its a silly way to go about Thor

And in 588 I point out that Nauci fits just as well as a friend to Thor as I do (better even, notice that Thor is often Nauci's dance partner in a lot of the day 1 silliness where Nauci posted a ton without doing much useful with it)

And then 589 . . . teacher unvotes?

And teacher says 'will sheep nk'.

I don't have a lot of faith in that case no. Who unvotes from their favored lynch right after they post their case on why it is there favored lynch?

Also Nauci is on the Thor wagon, does not make me happy with it either

Note teacher 611 unvote and 615 vote is based on the possibility theres a Meji-Flicker wagon?

teacher 627 - Meji would be the case without associatives? The associatives work just as well on Nauci

Now, Nauci is voting Thor, but considering the real weak way Nauci is voting Thor it wouldn't be hard for them to turn to someone else if the tide turns away from Thor

Hmmmm.... the way I read this you are more deflecting that someone else could be scum with Thor than trying to exonerate thor. However, after scum Thor dies we can check more than one person; I can jailkeep someone(I will jailkeep you) and a kill will then make my target confirmed town. Teacher can also confirm someone as town after a scum lynch if there is a kill and they are alive.

[Thor665]

But why? You have said repeatedly they were scummy. Now I think you are saying they aren’t. Why?

I am not saying that, in fact I said the opposite. I literally said they were a scum read.
I feel like either you are *trying* to create confusion or you're just not reading what I'm saying.
Can you try to help me out here? I'm getting reeeeeeally bored with repeating myself in circles constantly.
Like, please, quote where I call Meji a town read? I'd love to see that. And if you can't, if you need to do some sort of weird "I inferred it" answer - then maybe just go with me directly stating Meji is a scum read?

What have they done to town themselves. Or why are they not on any scum team? Seriously I feel like I’m missing something.

I never said they did anything to town themselves.
I do think they have issues being on a number of scum teams due to how fast the wagon on them formed, and the way the wagon was moved off them.