Newbie 1863: Rugby - Game Over

[Not Known 15]

Nauci chose to lurk out of the game, it seems. The game is getting more and more stale.

At this point continuing the day has not enough benefits, but it will just make town more lurky.
Let's end the day and hammer Thor.

Plan recap:
Thor scum-> I jailkeep Meji and Teacher tracks someone else. Those people are confirmed town when a kill happens.
Thor town-> I jailkeep someone and Teacher tracks someone.
If Thor is town and I die then focus on Meji Nauci and Flicker to get reads on them, but do not forget Oxy and the case of Thor on them. Follow Teacher and their leads.

[Thor665]

I'll point out that whoever opted to flip me to learn about Meji as opposed to flipping Meji opted to kill an active IC as opposed to a lurking nebbish nothing slot.
So, basically, if that wasn't Nk - consider whoever suggested that pivot *and whoever leapt at it quickly* to be good lynch options tomorrow also.

Hope you guys get better about tunneling, that's probably the biggest bad thing town is doing this game outside of the lurking (and, if certain slots are town, the not-reading ).

Hammer away.

[Thor665]

Follow Teacher and their leads.

Also don't do this.
Question those reads.
He's not confirmed and his cases are dreck.

[teacher]

To be clear, I started and encouraged the Thor shift. I still feel good about the associational inference - that a town Thor implies a town Meji in a way that is not true in reverse.

But I very much acknowledge I could be wrong. I will just hope NK or I get a hit tonight if that is the case.

Hammer if you want Flicker, or wait for Nauci to contribute/replace.

[Thor665]

To be clear, I started and encouraged the Thor shift. I still feel good about the associational inference - that a town Thor implies a town Meji in a way that is not true in reverse.

How?
Who are my other theory partners vs. Meji's exactly?

[Thor665]

Frankly, Meji i splaying my lynch like a scum who doesn't want to touch a terrible wagon.

[teacher]

Who are my other theory partners vs. Meji's exactly?

To provide just one example, Elephant. There are others.

[teacher]

If I had to randomly guess now I'd hazard a Nauci, Flicker, or you.

Adding this to my scumcase on Thor. Because I find this list of Oxy's possible partners pretty terrible for including Flicker. I dont see Oxy's hard scumming and voting of Flicker (162, 163, 169, 261, 404, 409, 448, 613) as distancing. And it started too early to bus.

I concede that I am a possible partner, except for knowing my role. And Nauci is also possible, but again a less unlikely given her prominence in Oxy's 353 and 448. This is why Oxy is the towniest in my PoE pool.

[Oxy]

Hammer away.

[Oxy]

Let's GO

[Thor665]

Who are my other theory partners vs. Meji's exactly?

To provide just one example, Elephant. There are others.

Your theory being that I would townread my partner and not vote him (Elephant) or scum read my partner and not vote him (Meji) so...basically you have almost the entire playerbase to choose from.

Why are you not ruling out people who vote me? You seem to be ruling out people who vote Meji, so...?

[teacher]

Why are you not ruling out people who vote me? You seem to be ruling out people who vote Meji, so...?

(A) He hasnt voted you, so your premise is wrong. (B) I am not ruling out people based on votes (for Meji or you), but I find it less likely.

[Thor665]

A) Never said he did, but you also said there are others, so...that would put a big hole in possible candidates.
B) What system are you using to rule out everyone else but me for Meji then?

[Thor665]

If I had to randomly guess now I'd hazard a Nauci, Flicker, or you.

Adding this to my scumcase on Thor. Because I find this list of Oxy's possible partners pretty terrible for including Flicker. I dont see Oxy's hard scumming and voting of Flicker (162, 163, 169, 261, 404, 409, 448, 613) as distancing. And it started too early to bus.

I concede that I am a possible partner, except for knowing my role. And Nauci is also possible, but again a less unlikely given her prominence in Oxy's 353 and 448. This is why Oxy is the towniest in my PoE pool.

"Adding this to the scumcase on Thor - when I asked him for an opinion, he said it wasn't something he fcused on but answered, and I agree with two of his answers but disagree with one - so SCUM CASE, DERPA-DERP!"

Hope you are scum.
If you're not - get better than this - you're soooo tunneled it's obnoxious.

[Thor665]

Frankly, from my interactions with NK and Elephant - I think a good teaching lesson here is; there's a difference between someone saying something that is scummy, and someone saying something you disagree with.
Please try to take that one to heart.

[Flicker]

I want to give Nauci 24 hours after the prod to post something substantial or replace before hammering. That's less than an hour from now. Y'all could try to relax until then.

[teacher]

FMPOV, Meji's only other possible possible in Nauci. Your other possibile partners are Nauci, Elephant, Flicker.

Im not tunnelled into you. I have said I find Meji scummier standing alone. I just think flipping you advances the game more for town.

[Not Known 15]

I want to give Nauci 24 hours after the prod to post something substantial or replace before hammering. That's less than an hour from now. Y'all could try to relax until then.

A replacement will not help us right now. In fact avoiding the replacement by hammering right now would probably be the better idea.
This would allow Nauci to get more time to catch up. If that doesn't happen next day they can be replaced and enough time will be left. But a replacement is always bad.

[Thor665]

FMPOV, Meji's only other possible possible in Nauci. Your other possibile partners are Nauci, Elephant, Flicker.

If Meji has a possible partner of Flicker how does flipping me town help clear Meji?
If it doesn't - then what's the logic behind flipping me first exactly?

Im not tunnelled into you. I have said I find Meji scummier standing alone. I just think flipping you advances the game more for town.

I agree that you claim to find Meji scummier while going out of your way to vote me and call everything I do scummy.
::shrug::
I call that tunneled - you can call it whatever you like.

[teacher]

If Meji has a possible partner of Flicker how does flipping me town help clear Meji?

Explain to me why Flicker would L-2 her partner, or hold off hammering you here if this was a partnership. Because Im not buying.

[teacher]

I want to give Nauci 24 hours after the prod to post something substantial or replace before hammering. That's less than an hour from now. Y'all could try to relax until then.

A replacement will not help us right now. In fact avoiding the replacement by hammering right now would probably be the better idea.
This would allow Nauci to get more time to catch up. If that doesn't happen next day they can be replaced and enough time will be left. But a replacement is always bad.

I disagree. Replacements read through games and see things we missed. Plus, Nauci's lurking has left a pretty big gap in the remainer of the game assuming Thor flips town. Id like to get substantive info from the spot which is why I called for a delayed hammer to begin with. But I also dont want people losing interest, which is why I indicated its up to Flicker. Flicker, FMPOV, do what you will when you want.

[Thor665]

If Meji has a possible partner of Flicker how does flipping me town help clear Meji?

Explain to me why Flicker would L-2 her partner, or hold off hammering you here if this was a partnership. Because Im not buying.

I fail to see holding off hammering me as something either town or scum would be unwilling to do - can you explain why you think town would delay and scum would run slavering towards the option of a mislynch?

In your world where you don't think scum vote each other - yeah, I agree, L-2 is a thing.
In my world where scum happily vote each other all the time, I don't think the vote looked all that impressive, and Flicker has actually been less content to vote me, which suggests that if I'm town it would make Meji more likely scum due to the difference in attitude.

So you're thinking Flicker *isn't* Meji's partner anymore?
Or are you just ducking my question of if Meji/Flicker is a thing it defeats the entire silly idea of lynching me to clear Meji your stronger scumread?

[Thor665]

Lynching me first when I know for a fact scum tried to kill me last night makes a ton of sense for scum.
Just saying.

[Flicker]

Alright, my deadline has passed.

VOTE: Thor665

That's hammer, and it's now twilight. Good luck, y'all.

[teacher]

So you're thinking Flicker *isn't* Meji's partner anymore?
Or are you just ducking my question of if Meji/Flicker is a thing it defeats the entire silly idea of lynching me to clear Meji your stronger scumread?

Not ducking your question. If I ever thought Meji-Flicker were a thing, I would agree that I should lynch Meji. But I never did, and I still dont, think Meji-Flicker could be a team. (reasons include 136, 265, and 574 and the next paragraph)

Since Meji is the alternative lynch to you, I would expect a hammer. Especially since I have stated that town you clears her scum partner in my point of view. So I am pointing out that I find the team you have proposed is even more incredible now than it was before.