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[Nancy Drew 39]

So wisdom/eddie/brass?

This team actually makes some level of sense, but I think Wisdom would've aided in the push on me instead of going in his own direction after the Zito wagon fell apart if that was the case. He's seen me be a competent town before and might remember from a while ago roughly how I get reads, but I don't think he believes I'm enough of a threat to have that deter him, even if this team means I had basically pointed the finger at both his buddies as soon as I came in.

Okay, how are all of them connected

other than their vote on Sugar

?

This makes even less sense than Zito thinking Kokichi and me were scumpals.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Just posting to avoid being proddedicated

And also to say I'm not going to ever vote sugar baby

What do you think about their push on Wisdom?

[Nancy Drew 39]

So wisdom/eddie/brass?

This team actually makes some level of sense, but I think Wisdom would've aided in the push on me instead of going in his own direction after the Zito wagon fell apart if that was the case. He's seen me be a competent town before and might remember from a while ago roughly how I get reads, but I don't think he believes I'm enough of a threat to have that deter him, even if this team means I had basically pointed the finger at both his buddies as soon as I came in.

Okay, how are all of them connected

other than their vote on Sugar

?

This makes even less sense than Zito thinking Kokichi and me were scumpals.

NM, Eddie voted The Worst but I still don’t see how they’re connected at all.

[Ankamius]

So wisdom/eddie/brass?

This team actually makes some level of sense, but I think Wisdom would've aided in the push on me instead of going in his own direction after the Zito wagon fell apart if that was the case. He's seen me be a competent town before and might remember from a while ago roughly how I get reads, but I don't think he believes I'm enough of a threat to have that deter him, even if this team means I had basically pointed the finger at both his buddies as soon as I came in.

Okay, how are all of them connected

other than their vote on Sugar

?

This makes even less sense than Zito thinking Kokichi and me were scumpals.

Here's the main pattern I'm seeing when I'm looking into this scumteam:

Spoiler:

I'd normally color code the votes in question but that would require removing all the postlinks and I'm not going to take the time to do all that.

Official Vote Count 1-1

Nancy Drew 39

(5): the worst, Wisdom, brassherald, Papa Zito, Eddie Cane

(L-2)

MechaGoomba

(1): ActionDan

Eddie Cane

(1): Srceenplay

Not Voting

(6): Kokichi Oma, MechaGoomba, Sugar Cain, EeveeLution Army, Tywin Lannister, Nancy Drew 39

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-05-02 18:30:00)

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Official Vote Count 1-2

EeveeLution Army

(5): Eddie Cane, Wisdom, the worst, Kokichi Oma, Nancy Drew 39

(L-2)

Papa Zito

(2): Tywin Lannister, brassherald

Eddie Cane

(1): Srceenplay

Nancy Drew 39

(1): ActionDan

Kokichi Oma

(1): Papa Zito

Not Voting

(3): MechaGoomba, Sugar Cain, EeveeLution Army

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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: (expired on 2018-05-02 18:30:00)

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Official Vote Count 2-3

Papa Zito

(5): Kokichi Oma, Tywin Lannister, brassherald, Wisdom, the worst

(L-2)

ActionDan

(2): Nancy Drew 39, Eddie Cane

Tywin Lannister

(1): Papa Zito

Eddie Cane

(1): ActionDan

brassherald

(1): Ankamius

Not Voting

(3): HarmlessZombie, Sugar Cain, Srceenplay

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-05-09 18:15:00)

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Official Vote Count 2-6

Papa Zito

(3): Tywin Lannister, brassherald, Kokichi Oma

Ankamius

(3): Eddie Cane, Nancy Drew 39, Srceenplay

Sugar Cain

(2): Ankamius, Wisdom

Tywin Lannister

(1): Papa Zito

Eddie Cane

(1): ActionDan

Srceenplay

(1): the worst

Not Voting

(2): HarmlessZombie, Sugar Cain

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-05-09 18:15:00)

Previous Vote Count

The correlation between them is that they tend to vote together when there's a strong push on someone outside of their group, but they're in different wagons in situations like the last vote count where town is split in a lot of different directions.

It's not a slam dunk by any means, but there's enough evidence here to be worth relooking at if they start flipping scum. It's also worth noting that their locations on the wagon is different on the Zito wagon than the Eevee and Nancy wagon, although that's basically useless until there's more information out on the table (and it's also worth noting that Wisdom unvoted to join the AD wagon before hopping back).

[Beefster]

Official Vote Count 2-8

the worst

(2): Eddie Cane, Srceenplay

Srceenplay

(2): Ankamius, the worst

Sugar Cain

(2): Wisdom, brassherald

Papa Zito

(1): Tywin Lannister

Ankamius

(1): Nancy Drew 39

Tywin Lannister

(1): Papa Zito

Eddie Cane

(1): ActionDan

Wisdom

(1): Sugar Cain

Not Voting

(2): HarmlessZombie, Kokichi Oma

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-05-09 18:15:00)

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[Ankamius]

^Also evidence against that scumteam.

[Beefster]

Tywin Lannister has been prodded

[the worst]

Tywin Lannister has been prodded

Did a bit of gold fall out or did you not prod him hard enough?

[Beefster]

Tywin Lannister has been prodded

Did a bit of gold fall out or did you not prod him hard enough?

I apparently don't know the reference.

I have never seen/read Game of Thrones. That will change if/when I get hired on as an actual employee since I work for a cable company. I don't want to pay for HBO because I'm cheap and I'm okay with waiting.

[the worst]

Tywin Lannister has been prodded

Did a bit of gold fall out or did you not prod him hard enough?

I apparently don't know the reference.

I have never seen/read Game of Thrones. That will change if/when I get hired on as an actual employee since I work for a cable company. I don't want to pay for HBO because I'm cheap and I'm okay with waiting.

Winningggg
He is very very rich, and the stories say he shits gold

[Kokichi Oma]

No, I really can’t tbh. Why would you want to hide your reasons?

Slamming me for grammer now, seriously?

*grammar


There's any number of reasons why I'd want to hide my reasons! I'm surprised as a graduate of MU you're not able to come up with any. I've been told so often how much better mafia play is over there. This isn't a newbie game tho so I'll leave that particular theory lesson for you to chew on.

Anyway it seems people have abandoned this wagon because they saw something shiny so I guess I'll go vote your partner now.


VOTE: Kokichi

Zito is next on the strong town list.

Is this a joke post.

[Ankamius]

No, I really can’t tbh. Why would you want to hide your reasons?

Slamming me for grammer now, seriously?

*grammar


There's any number of reasons why I'd want to hide my reasons! I'm surprised as a graduate of MU you're not able to come up with any. I've been told so often how much better mafia play is over there. This isn't a newbie game tho so I'll leave that particular theory lesson for you to chew on.

Anyway it seems people have abandoned this wagon because they saw something shiny so I guess I'll go vote your partner now.


VOTE: Kokichi

Zito is next on the strong town list.

Is this a joke post.

Idk, try reading the game.

[Sugar Cain]

brass giving such confident reads makes me curious.

Still gonna sheep him tho VOTE: Sugar

but y?

Fine, I'll humor you.

My focus would still be on those who outwardly supported Srceen's reasoning for scumreading me. Scum intent is all over that.

meh, I like him. Let's be honest here, I hadn't read and you agreeing with me while still voting me looked a bit like talking out of both sides of your mouth. Vote Wisdom then we can all be one happy town bloc.

Not liking this.

I mean, if she helps me lynch scum then she's prob not scum.

Yeah, I could lynch either (Ank/Sugar) but Sugar’s vote does seem to be the scummiest one in the game so far. Also their interaction seems kind of weird.

Wanna engage me more on this?

Your push on Wisdom, seems be coming out of nowhere . There isn’t anything organic about its progression. Why is he your top scum? Nothing about it makes sense.

As for your interaction with Ank, this is how it reads to me:

Ank: let’s team up.

Sugar: I’m voting you.

Ank: Cool, I’m voting you too.

Sugar: Kidding, lol.

Ank: me too, no hard feelings I hope?

Sugar: Nah, let’s go for Wis.

Ank: I’ll raise you an Ace for that extra pair of Queens.

Sugar: let’s shake on it.

I mean, I know I'm town and I saw a wagon on me like its certainly possible that both Wis and Ank are bad town but I think its just as equally possible that scum were going after a low resistance inactive slot.

From there my suspicion ballooned out into a full-fledged scum read. I don't like any of his votes.

those switches span the whole game kokichi
are you trying to shade me

felt like this was pretty conscientious.

I'm not a fan of the way he cries misrep when I was under the impression that the wagon on me was solely activity based. He knew I hadn't read yet and blasted me for not knowing his reasoning and then when I countered that I hadn't read yet he blasted me for that. It felt very "dammed if I do, damned if I don't" and I felt set up.

His p 29 posting is pretty bad. Koki is town but the chainsawy defense is bad I think.

I also think his strongarming mislynches is similar to his scum game.

Is your sole reason for town reading him based on his switching from you to Zito?

I don't think your impression of Ank and I's interaction is that spot on. Wis is scummy to me, I think its pretty common sense that those that lynch scum with me are probs NOT scum. Now the advanced version is that, yes scum do bus but I think optimal bussing range is later in the wagon. I guess sure, maybe the wording is weird but I don't think the intent is.

[Wisdom]

wow this is so bad

[Wisdom]

theres no fucking way sugar flips anything but red here

he literally takes my posts, assigns whatever scum motivation he can to them and refuses to do any sort of thinking
see also the repeated "scum want to push a low resistance slot" which is baseless

[brassherald]

It seems Ank is basically just handing out town points for agreeing with her reads and reasoning, which is pretty bad. If she, at any time, she would like to clarify what she actually is doing and correct me, I will admit being wrong.

If that's what you are doing and you are actually town, stop it.

In other news,

@the worst

talk to me about Screenplay here, I'm a little confused on your current vote.

[Sugar Cain]

Haaaiiiiii

Wisdom is my Scumread here and Nero kinda agrees but mostly just wants him gone so yeah.

Also

Shuga mama is permanently V/LA Friday night to Monday afternoon

I did get a new phone though so I will be a more prevalent presence now if anyone missed me!

[Sugar Cain]

As far as Wisdom scum goes, Nero got some of it but all of D1 I didn't like the vibe I was getting out of him. I don't like the pushes he chose. He went after easier targets (Nancy and later Zito)

Nancy was clearly town from the get-go and while my read on I Zito is null I don't like the reasons attributed to why he's scum here (Nancy's was particularly bad but heh)

Along with that he seems kinda placaty and not the hard headed, bull headed wisdom that I'm at all used to seeing and there was something about the posts he was making to Nancy that seemed kind of... Manipulative.


That aside I also don't like how he made it look like I was town reading him when I said "assuming wisdom is town" and twisting the context of which that was said in.

That context being "assuming that wisdom has a town win con this game his reasons were fallacious " nothing in that context has me saying "I am assuming wisdom is town here with bad reasoning " and I don't understand why he would ask me why I assumed he was town in the first place at all

[Sugar Cain]

I also skimmed through d2 and saw something about the duck and wisdom being a team together which is HAH!

the duck is town, first of all.

Second of all, if the two of them were scum together the whole piggy backing off each other is not scum/scum play at all in any way whatsoever. I don't like how the duck seems to be dependent on wisdom this game and is unquestioning of his alignment but that's all that's really there

[Sugar Cain]

Wisdom also knows better about asking for my reads. He knows that sometimes I'll give them out and sometimes I won't but I sure as hell don't give them out when asked and that asking me for my reads list will most often make me more resistant to giving it so why even ask me

[Nancy Drew 39]

brass giving such confident reads makes me curious.

Still gonna sheep him tho VOTE: Sugar

but y?

Fine, I'll humor you.

My focus would still be on those who outwardly supported Srceen's reasoning for scumreading me. Scum intent is all over that.

meh, I like him. Let's be honest here, I hadn't read and you agreeing with me while still voting me looked a bit like talking out of both sides of your mouth. Vote Wisdom then we can all be one happy town bloc.

Not liking this.

I mean, if she helps me lynch scum then she's prob not scum.

Yeah, I could lynch either (Ank/Sugar) but Sugar’s vote does seem to be the scummiest one in the game so far. Also their interaction seems kind of weird.

Wanna engage me more on this?

Your push on Wisdom, seems be coming out of nowhere . There isn’t anything organic about its progression. Why is he your top scum? Nothing about it makes sense.

As for your interaction with Ank, this is how it reads to me:

Ank: let’s team up.

Sugar: I’m voting you.

Ank: Cool, I’m voting you too.

Sugar: Kidding, lol.

Ank: me too, no hard feelings I hope?

Sugar: Nah, let’s go for Wis.

Ank: I’ll raise you an Ace for that extra pair of Queens.

Sugar: let’s shake on it.

I mean, I know I'm town and I saw a wagon on me like its certainly possible that both Wis and Ank are bad town but I think its just as equally possible that scum were going after a low resistance inactive slot.

From there my suspicion ballooned out into a full-fledged scum read. I don't like any of his votes.

those switches span the whole game kokichi
are you trying to shade me

felt like this was pretty conscientious.

I'm not a fan of the way he cries misrep when I was under the impression that the wagon on me was solely activity based. He knew I hadn't read yet and blasted me for not knowing his reasoning and then when I countered that I hadn't read yet he blasted me for that. It felt very "dammed if I do, damned if I don't" and I felt set up.

His p 29 posting is pretty bad. Koki is town but the chainsawy defense is bad I think.

I also think his strongarming mislynches is similar to his scum game.

Is your sole reason for town reading him based on his switching from you to Zito?

I don't think your impression of Ank and I's interaction is that spot on. Wis is scummy to me, I think its pretty common sense that those that lynch scum with me are probs NOT scum. Now the advanced version is that, yes scum do bus but I think optimal bussing range is later in the wagon. I guess sure, maybe the wording is weird but I don't think the intent is.

No one switched from me to Zito, they switched from me to Eevee and from Eevee to Zito. But no. I was at L-1 at one point, so the maj wanted to lynch me and almost did. So, no I’m obv not tr anyone based on that. My post doesn’t even relate to my read on Wisdom, it was your push in itself and the reasoning for it, I took isue with

[Wisdom]

That context being "assuming that wisdom has a town win con this game his reasons were fallacious " nothing in that context has me saying "I am assuming wisdom is town here with bad reasoning " and I don't understand why he would ask me why I assumed he was town in the first place at all

i misunderstood you then
i thought you were saying i was town but my reads sucked and i shouldnt be sheeped
which was the main reason i didnt like that post

[Wisdom]

VOTE: zito

i like mara's posts

[Sugar Cain]

Hey Nancy, wanna talk to mom for a sec?

You pretty much bleed town and I realize you were at L-1 but I think it was more a combination of sheer annoyance with you, and people not wanting to read you because of the massive AtE, policy, and it being scum driven.

I need to reread d1 again to get a better jist of what's going on regarding you, zito and eevee but I also remember a brief moment where zito had some shade thrown his way before Eevee was ultimately lynched.

Where do you stand on wisdom because I think it was him and maybe brass that was scum pushing your wagon

[Ankamius]

It seems Ank is basically just handing out town points for agreeing with her reads and reasoning, which is pretty bad. If she, at any time, she would like to clarify what she actually is doing and correct me, I will admit being wrong.

If that's what you are doing and you are actually town, stop it.

In other news,

@the worst

talk to me about Screenplay here, I'm a little confused on your current vote.

Can you go into this more for me? I'm confused how you're getting this impression.