Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[skitter30]

@oxy: yeah, basically. If there isn't a jk, I have a really, really hard time understanding why scum doesn't try to kill math. If there is a jk, I don't understand why draynth isn't dead unless scum thought (or knew) he wasn't the jk.

but like JK + IC is a dumb role combo from scum's pov, so like I don't get why that would be the case in the first place. And then we'd have to look for a team of 3 people who would like actually pick this, and I'm having trouble coming up with three people in this playerlist who make sense together who would actually do that.

But like if there isn't a JK why isn't math dead?
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It just occured to me that a vig AND scum could have theoretically hit tw. It seems *incredibly* unlikely to me given that I don't think a vig kills tw here, and I don't get why scum would kill tw last night either, but hey, it happened before, and that didn't fuck town over at all

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I suppose it's possible that a jk blocked a shot (presumably on math?) and that tw was a vig kill.

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Knowing that scum chose a kill that doesn't exactly make me look great,

If scum were jk-hunting I think you probably aren't scum given that you thought tw was a vt.

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If we knew this to be the case, this would pretty much clears at least Skitter, you, and me. I don't think any of us give IC!dino an entire second day to find a strong town read on NSG.

I feel like scum!nsg probably wants to kill math here before he makes up his mind on her, so not-dead-math might point to town!nsg?

If they're keeping Mathdino alive because of his reads, I think it is more likely because of the scum he is town reading than because of the town he is scum reading.

Agreed, but like, he's conftown and the keeping-him-alive-because-of-his-reads seems incredibly risky to me.

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If they did choose based off of Math's reads then it is just ultimate WIFOM... for proof look at everything that has been said so far lol.

It's honestly such a bizarre nk with so many 'eh, maybe that's what they were thinking, who knows?' interpretations to it that I almost want to ignore it. But then, that might be the point

[Mathdino]

okay guys hear me out

what if mathdino is alive on D2

because he's scum

am i doing this right

[skitter30]

How'd I possibly overlook that possibility?

VOTE: math

[skitter30]

VOTE: nm

[Oxy]

yeah, okay - I'm on the scum!draynth train.

There are a few options in which draynth isn't scum:

PR's are exactly cop, tracker, IC, and scum thought that TW wanting to sort mathdino D2 meant that TW was the cop.
I'm doing this quick, but that's the only one I can think of right now.

VOTE: draynth

[Oxy]

also, I think I'm on the town!nsg train.

I don't see a reason why this would be the game that scum!nsg chooses to keep IC!dino alive just to prove she can pull the rug over his eyes.

[Mathdino]

	Draynth-scum	Draynth-town
JK + Cop/Track	Draynth is gonna fakeclaim Tracker. Didn't kill me because JK.	Scum is idiotic.
Cop + Tracker	Draynth is setting himself up for a JK claim. Didn't kill me so he can claim he saved me.	Draynth is a tracker, scum is idiotic.
Vig + JK	Draynth is gonna fakeclaim Tracker. Didn't kill me because JK. Vig/JK interacted very badly.	Draynth IS the vig/JK and scum is idiotic.

[northsidegal]

also, I think I'm on the town!nsg train.

I don't see a reason why this would be the game that scum!nsg chooses to keep IC!dino alive just to prove she can pull the rug over his eyes.

i mean, i'd have to do it

sometime

, and given how infrequently i roll scum...

I don't think this is a correct to townread me though. I still don't believe that not killing mathdino was for any reason except a jailkeeper existing. It's entirely possible that we're all thinking one level removed from what scum is thinking in terms of their decision making process (the primary mistake i see people make when doing NKA), but i seriously doubt scum were thinking on any level other than prioritizing killing PRs before anything else.

[Mathdino]

wow it's almost like we should've gotten a specific claim from him yesterday since he was constantly unclear ruru

[skitter30]

Scum!draynth and not-dead-math implies scum were jk-hunting and like I just don't get what combo of 3 people in this playerlist puts jk/ic in this setup.

Like who's the partners for scum!draynth that decide that jk/ic was a good idea?

p-edit: cop/tracker/draynth-scum doesn't make sense cuz what woudl he have saved you from? there's another shot that needs to be explained.

[northsidegal]

{nsg}
{Mathdino
{ruru}
{AP, sunshine13, Oxy, skitter13} <- could probably be sorted more specifically but probably not entirely relevant
{pinturicchio, uglyduck}
{scioness, draynth}

[Mathdino]

NSG how am i a tier below you wtf

[northsidegal]

NSG how am i a tier below you wtf

Maybe brass is just making a

serious

moderator error.

[pinturicchio]

@Dino why is Draynth not a 1-shot cop??

[Mathdino]

skitter you're not understanding

i'm suggesting scum picked cop/tracker

so the only PR draynth can claim without getting cc'd is jailkeeper

so i was left alive so draynth can claim he's jailing me

Edit: because he said so

[northsidegal]

ok fine i basically ignore the top sections of readslist and i was just switching things around from a draft i had saved earlier

{nsg, Mathdino}
{ruru}
{AP, sunshine13, Oxy, skitter13} <- could probably be sorted more specifically but probably not entirely relevant
{pinturicchio, uglyduck}
{scioness, draynth}

[Mathdino]

pintu not scum with draynth gg

[pinturicchio]

pintu not scum gg

[skitter30]

so the only PR draynth can claim without getting cc'd is jailkeeper

This is making my head hurt.

In that scenario it's ic/cop/tracker (not vig cuz the one death). Scum draynth. draynth would claim jk so that he isn't cc'd.

So scum would try to act like it's ic/jk/{cop/tracker}, and shoot not-you in order to act like they know there's a jk in the setup and thus not shoot the ic because obviously scum!draynth-pretending-to-be-jk!draynth would protect you?

[Mathdino]

not taking the vig is pretty damning for uglyduck, who basically just got vigged as town in a previous game

i feel like AP would also do that as scum?

draynth needs to specific claim though

Edit: yeah i don't see why that's super complicated

[AP]

i feel like AP would also do that as scum?

Not take the Vig? Are you kidding??

[Mathdino]

because i'm in the game

[brassherald]

Vote Count 2.1

Draynth (2) ~

AP, Oxy,

Not_Mafia (1) ~

skitter30

Not Voting:

Mathdino, Draynth, Sunshine13, UglyDuck, NorthSideGal, pinturicchio, Not_Mafia, ruru

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2018-05-13 06:30:00)

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Draynth

[AP]

because i'm in the game

I really don't care. I would have picked IC+Vig+Cop still. All I (and my team) have to do is not be in the bottom 3 suspects by the end of the day, and maybe even have an influence on you to direct the Vig.

But anyway, that's still self-meta which is totally useless in situations like these. WIFOM is a thing, so I'll accept the argument on principle but will insist it's not the case.