Mini 2004 - Birth of the Necromancer - [DERP! - MOD LOSES]

[Sugar Cain]

@EeveeLution Army , please save Sugar tonight.

why? I doubt theyre getting killed

Sugar, is your vig ability affected by how you die? Or is it irrelevant?

Because then Eevee needs to protect someone else.

It's irrelevant. I just need to be dead. Eevee shouldn't even touch me if I end up living

[Ankamius]

See, this is why I say to ignore the zombie.

It's true that having a confirmed scum on a wagon means that it's less town-driven, but the way it's done is also too blatantly obvious that it's the case which means scum are more likely to be doing it to try to derail a wagon... but if scum are trying to derail the wagon, doesn't that make brass most likely scum? But then if brass is scum, aren't there better uses for the vote that are more likely to succeed? So therefore brass is more likely town... etc.

It's an endless loop no matter where you start because you can always find something to 'disprove' whichever assumption you're at in the chain.

I think scum did it primarily to cause WIFOM. Why would scum want to create WIFOM now? That's hard to determine at this point in the game since we don't have enough information to go on for a reasonable analysis, so it's pointless to analyze the zombie vote right now.

The best way town can use the zombie is to dismiss it entirely. Letting the zombie influence wagons and thoughts is letting

scum

determine the game state.

But they create WIFOM in order to further their agenda.

Mafia doesn’t want us to lynch brass, which is exactly why we should, is my point. It’s all about the timing of the vote. If HZ had hammered, it would mean the exact opposite.

BUT THEY WANTED To KILL This WAGON. Why would you want to ignore that?

This is the type of info that's more useful when we have a much better idea of what scum's plan was today. It's a shot in the dark today.

[Ankamius]

On post 241, Eeveelution Army was hammered.

Official Vote Count 1-FINAL

EeveeLution Army

(7): Eddie Cane, Wisdom, the worst, Kokichi Oma, Nancy Drew 39, Sugar Cain, Srceenplay

(LYNCHED)

Papa Zito

(2): Tywin Lannister, brassherald

Nancy Drew 39

(1): ActionDan

Kokichi Oma

(1): Papa Zito

Not Voting

(2): MechaGoomba, EeveeLution Army

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Previous Vote Count

That was the fastest D1 I've ever seen.

Interesting, brass was on the Zito wagon? What do you make of this?

The interesting thing to me is that he voted Zito, then stated later after being asked that Eevee (now L-2) was scummy too. I don't think the act itself was suspicious at all since L-1 is a big deal for a wagon and I don't really blame him for choosing another POI to vote, but the way he went about it subtly changes the most likely motivation behind it from "vote on somebody else but on eevee in spirit" to "idk if I should put eevee at L-1 so I'll join this new wagon while keeping my options open."

[Ankamius]

Wisdom:

Can you show me what you mean Wisdom?

about what

Tywin playing like this in other games.

[Beefster]

Something broke my vote counter. Stand by while I debug.

[Srceenplay]

Because then Eevee needs to protect someone else.

@MOD: Theoretical question. If someone dies but they still have abilities after death do they lose those abilities if they are turned into a zombie?

[Srceenplay]

Because then Eevee needs to protect someone else.

@MOD: Theoretical question. If someone dies but they still have abilities after death do they lose those abilities if they are turned into a zombie?

[Beefster]

As it turns out, I didn't account for the edge case where everyone has a vote somewhere. I guess that never came up the last time I modded.

Official Vote Count 2-12

Tywin Lannister

(4): havingfitz, Ankamius, Srceenplay, Eddie Cane

brassherald

(3): Wisdom, Harmless Zombie, Nancy Drew 39

havingfitz

(2): Kokichi Oma, brassherald

Ankamius

(2): Tywin Lannister, the worst

Eddie Cane

(1): ActionDan

Sugar Cain

(1): Sugar Cain

Not Voting

(0):

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-05-09 18:15:00)

Previous Vote Count

[Harmless Zombie]

VOTE: Tywin Lancaster

[Srceenplay]

The winfom.
Lol

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: Tywin Lannister

Just in case.

I am waiting for havingfitz, but I also want to get an updated readslist out and that requires sorting Tywin's case to see if Wisdom's right or not.

[Srceenplay]

Sure. You do you and I’ll do me.

[Ankamius]

@Mod: Prod ActionDan please

[Nancy Drew 39]

Because then Eevee needs to protect someone else.

@MOD: Theoretical question. If someone dies but they still have abilities after death do they lose those abilities if they are turned into a zombie?

Excellent question.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Because then Eevee needs to protect someone else.

@MOD: Theoretical question. If someone dies but they still have abilities after death do they lose those abilities if they are turned into a zombie?

Excellent question.

@Beefster

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Tywin Lancaster

Who is town, amirite?


Yes, I know HZ can’t answer. I didn’t make this post for their benefit.

[Nancy Drew 39]

On post 241, Eeveelution Army was hammered.

Official Vote Count 1-FINAL

EeveeLution Army

(7): Eddie Cane, Wisdom, the worst, Kokichi Oma, Nancy Drew 39, Sugar Cain, Srceenplay

(LYNCHED)

Papa Zito

(2): Tywin Lannister, brassherald

Nancy Drew 39

(1): ActionDan

Kokichi Oma

(1): Papa Zito

Not Voting

(2): MechaGoomba, EeveeLution Army

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Previous Vote Count

That was the fastest D1 I've ever seen.

Interesting, brass was on the Zito wagon? What do you make of this?

The interesting thing to me is that he voted Zito, then stated later after being asked that Eevee (now L-2) was scummy too. I don't think the act itself was suspicious at all since L-1 is a big deal for a wagon and I don't really blame him for choosing another POI to vote, but the way he went about it subtly changes the most likely motivation behind it from "vote on somebody else but on eevee in spirit" to "idk if I should put eevee at L-1 so I'll join this new wagon while keeping my options open."

Thanks, I’m really liking your recent reads.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@EeveeLution Army , please save Sugar tonight.

why? I doubt theyre getting killed

Sugar, is your vig ability affected by how you die? Or is it irrelevant?

Because then Eevee needs to protect someone else.

It's irrelevant. I just need to be dead. Eevee shouldn't even touch me if I end up living

Do you still want to kill me?

[Nancy Drew 39]

The timing is so obviously made that the first conclusion town would come to is your conclusion that they thought it could be user to frame brass

But that isn’t what I think. I think they A) wanted to shade villas: the worst, ank, Wisdom and B) make everyone think that brass has to be locktown and make sure that he gets to Lylo and town mislynches, thinking he’s the IC.

If town sheeps me, they will likely do the opposite d3, but if town ignores me, they are far more likely to repeat this, IMO.

This is why I wanna kill you. Why is your opinion the only opinion that matters. Everyone and I mean EVERYONE already sees that point but just because this is a valid point doesn't mean the one made by ank or myself any less

You’re unfairly mischaracterizing me. Vigging me for having an opinion you dislike is anti-town. I have a right to hold a different opinion. If you’re going to continue to bully me in this way, then I don’t want to be in this game any longer.



Just say the word, you don’t have to vig me. I don’t need this in my life rn.

[Kokichi Oma]

Why are people voting tywin

[Wisdom]

because his posts are bad

[havingfitz]

I am waiting for havingfitz

Sorry for the delay. I'm about ten pages in with a cup of coffee and catching up this morning.

[Beefster]

Prodding ActionDan

Sorry for not being on top of things. I'm at a weird point in my life right now.

[Srceenplay]

Take care of yourself first Beefster.

[havingfitz]

Page 2 and not liking Nancy so far. As several others seemed to be like-minded about.

What Eddie said.

Not caring for Kokichi Oma's vote on Evee or the quest for others' reasons
after they (KO) had already voted Evee.

Tywin gets an A for effort for his pushing of Papa Zito. He's wrong, intentionally or not, but he's displaying quite the imagination either way.

What Eddie said...for the most part. Think I may be tr'ing Tywin. And minus the EBWOP.

Not a fan of Srceen's hero excuse.

What is AGL? Also agree with subsequent comments that this is a town post. ND can be town.

I think Ankamius is town too.

@Koki...PZ explained his lack of transparency. And why when there has been a flip and new content does a D2 read/vote have to mirror a D1 read/vote?

@Srceen...mind if we test the lynch proof bit?

Oooo the wifom...

tl the worst

Oooo the sarcasm...

Done. Phuck.

OK....

Here are my reads:
Wisdom - town
Kokichi Oma - scum
Nancy Drew - town
Ankamius - town
Sugar Cain - thought was scum but mulling over kill to enable vig claim...rethinking they're town
brassherald - scum lean. I think the Zombie vote was wifom to remove votes.
Eddie Cane - idk.
Srceenplay - idk. Playing different this game. Not a fan of it. But not AI'ing his playstyle.....bleh.
the worst - lean town.
ActionDan - idk.
Tywin Lannister - town lean.

VOTE: Kokichi

I'll switch to Brass if that wagon winds up more viable.