Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[AP]

Also, Scum.me doesn't let Town.Dino live past N1, and especially not when you're the IC (so anything you say will at least be guaranteed to be town-motivated, and I can't fight you over it).

[Mathdino]

honestly vig wouldn't have been picked by any scumteam that felt seriously in danger of being vigged

this hardcore implicates uglyduck and draynth

[Oxy]

Every mention of Draynth by UglyDuck, and UglyDuck by Draynth
There is nothing in here to rule them out as partners. Honestly, some of it is odd (one questions the other's alignment, and then never brings it up again, etc.), but could potentially be explained by how disconnected they have been from the game.

Spoiler:

UglyDuck - Waiting for content.

Draynth - Not a lot to go off of, but reads seem OK. I mean I disagree with his top two pushes, but I think for anyone to be pushing Math/TW right now I would of been granting some TP to because there has to be like a 0% chance they get lynched today.

I'm worried about UglyDuck purely because it seems like he's only saying anything when he's directly mentioned / being scumread

1) Draynth - While I feel Skum would normally be more apparent when so many drivers are present in the game, I can't get over the timing of their reactions. Everytime they come up in conversation they then come into the game. I suppose this is what lazy town would do as well, but just their overall demeanor feels off.

In response to a question by Ruru:

6) Daynth - we seem to agree. I can't really argue with your assessment on me seeming similar, but I have been told I think more than I post. In regards to the post I think I remember - something like "post your TW and Math Wall"... honestly.. I don't like useless walls. See the points above... I feel like I pretty much wrapped it up in two sentences Wagon timing is what you want to make of it - not much I can say to that.

meh nevermind was reading backwards.

VOTE: Draynth seems better

@Sunshine:

We may still have problem here, which is town!Draynth (assuming you're correct) isn't playing the game, and thus is even more harmful to town than scum are!

Did you just make the point to lynch a Town!Lurker read over a Skum read?

If that's how you read it.

I mean I don't because who would say that. But like... what (no sarcasm) is the point you are trying to promote? I am reading it as "you are telling sunshine that even if they have a skum read on PlayerX they should consider voting their town read of PlayerY because PlayerY is not up to speed". I am just looking for clarification - I didn't mean for the question to come off as accusatory.

@Ugly: I do see your point, and I'm not arguing against it. I guess didn't totally disregard the possibility Drayth could flip scum after all, so it inadvertently factored in my phrasing.

The way I see it is if Drayth is town he's not doing himself (or us) any favours, and especially so if he is indeed a PR, so I wanted to force a claim out of his slot.

Update: Draynth staying in the shadows until I removed my vote off him THEN coming on to say he won't claim is actually bothering me even more now.

VOTE: Draynth

And Mathdino already stated intent.

Why would you want to force a town PR to claim their spot? no skum PRs possible in this game right, so it would have to be a town PR?

Also, and I am assuredly not defending him, but just pointing out that I think Draynth said (correctly) "I am at L-2 not L-1, so I am not going to claim".

also ballsack to everything bc this is feeling more like a TvT wagon by the second.

Despite him trying to lynch me I think he's probably town.
The only thing I'm concerned about is how easily he tried to jump on NSG with MD (Possible scum partners?) but he said he was reading backwards which if true would make sense.

[Oxy]

And yeah, I'm working on associations because I'm having trouble getting around draynth and the night kill

[northsidegal]

i honestly just need them all to post more. my three main scum suspects are all low-posters.

[Mathdino]

i honestly just need them all to post more. my three main scum suspects are all low-posters.

this view of the gamestate is highly consistent with a scumteam that decides against giving town a vig

[ruru]

OK. so here's what I think:

- If there's a Cop who

had already used up his shot

, please claim
- If there's a Vig who

had already used up one shot

, please claim

Nobody else should claim yet, and neither of the two should claim in they have not acted last night.

I did not use a cop or vig shot last night

[Mathdino]

I used both shots last night

i agree with AP's plan btw, is good plan

[UglyDuck]

not taking the vig is pretty damning for uglyduck, who basically just got vigged as town in a previous game

i feel like AP would also do that as scum?

draynth needs to specific claim though

Edit: yeah i don't see why that's super complicated

1) what game did I get viged in?
2) read all of my interactions regarding previous games (I don't post a lot it should be easy)
3) I would of picked Tracker, Vig, IC in this set up... fwiw.

[ruru]

AP, are you personally hardclaiming no cop or vig shot?

[UglyDuck]

So I also am OK with a Draynth lynch... but to put someone at L-2 this soon seems like not a good idea - unless there is like unanimous disagreement on that.

[UglyDuck]

also, not to seem defensive, but wtf would me/my skum team allow TW to be lynched. Him and Oxy were like the only two players thinking I was town....

[AP]

AP, are you personally hardclaiming no cop or vig shot?

Erm, I did NOT ask for everyone to out they are NOT a Cop/Vig, btw. If I am either I did not act last night.

[ruru]

Okay, sorry, I see why your order is better

Nobody follow my example please

[ruru]

Also I'm strongly townreading AP as of now

[Mathdino]

uglyduck are you playing dumb or what
you were vigged in this game that just ended last week
how do you not remember this

and glad you could come around, ruru

[ruru]

VOTE: UglyDuck

[ruru]

Wait, you were even in that game with him?

What's happening

[brassherald]

Votecount 2.2

Draynth(3)

~ AP(10), Oxy(14), Not_Mafia(1)

UglyDuck(1)

~ ruru(17)

Not_Mafia(1)

~ skitter30(10)


Not Voting (6): Mathdino(15), Draynth(1), Sunshine13(6), UglyDuck(4), northsidegal(13), pinturicchio(12)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2018-05-13 07:00:00)

MOD REMINDERS

NONE

[Mathdino]

draynth if you don't claim i'm strongarming 2 people into voting you so i can hammer you myself

[skitter30]

VOTE: draynth

[Draynth]

I'm in work at the minute will catch up and post when I get home

[ruru]

I support the idea of Draynth claiming

I actually hadn't fully thought about the implications for his slot of my previous theory being false until now

I think he has enough votes on him now though

[ruru]

Hmm what are the odds of SS replacing out because her scumteam wasn't trying/communicating

[Oxy]

Five votes are currently on a PR claim

Unofficial Votecount

Draynth(5)

~ northsidegal(87), Oxy(216), UglyDuck(56), Orfhz, AP

Mathdino (5)

~ skitter30, ruru, pin, tw, Draynth

Oxy(2)

~ Sunshine13(50)

ofrhz(1)

~ Scioness Sajj(81)

Scioness Sajj(1)

~ Mathdino


Players dead:

Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-30 16:45:00)

She hasn't posted anywhere on site in the 5 days since.

It could have been related to the game, sure, or it could have been related to real life being busy, to her deciding mafia wasn't for her, or a host of other reasons.