Open 724 - Pick Your Power X/Y [Endgame]

[Ircher]

guys it doesn't make any sense for beefster to be lying

he'd just get fucked in massclaim

i doubt scum-him gets jailkeeper and thinks "oh boy lemme just pretend to be a VT instead of using my claim as a get out of jail free card later"

beefster is almost certainly vanilla

wouldn't mind if he ate vig tbh

Edit: you're in luck because lovebird is town

1. How is Lovebird town?
2. Didn’t you want to PL Beefster earlier?

[Ircher]

What's objectively bad about my posts ?

I don't think a mafia player should follow a set plan or scum/townhunt in a certain way... Maybe I play differently than you but if something bothers me, why wouldn't I question it?

I'm an alt yes

I mean, it hasn’t really seemed like you contributed anything really to this point (though the same could be said for me.)

[Ircher]

@Janitor: quit the bs

your posts have not been useful and do not demonstrate a town mindset

i have obviously evolved my reads since my literal first post, you're harping on me trying to create information out of what i had available to me at the time

RVS is great and all but it's stupid when you have information available already

also your slot ALWAYS had higher scum equity to me. i picked 2 because i thought scum would pick it.

you picked 2. and i'm townreading iconeum and TW more than you, soooooooOOOOOO...

Yeah, we had a bunch of info... That basically amounts to WIFOM, yet you seem very intent on focusing on said useless information.

[Mathdino]

i don't even know what to say to players like you

on page fucking 1 and 2, in which half the players hadn't posted yet, yes i'm going to focus on the information i have available to me

my reads are clearly independent of my setup spec, which only INFORMS my reads

you don't know the meaning of WIFOM. scum does not send in draft numbers in this setup to fake town out, they send it to rob town of PRs and get good PRs when possible

so talk to me in specifics instead of trashing everything i have to say

do you think 2 scum would pick the same number to fake out town? if so, who in this setup would do so? i already discussed this possibility
do you think scum would pick all high numbers, essentially guaranteeing town gets the cop?
do you think scum would pick {1, 2, 3}?

[Mathdino]

I townread Saske for their reads, not the draft. I feel that picking a high number helps ensure you don’t conflict with someone else, so I wouldn’t rule out Saske scum.

"I townread SIMYK but their draft number would be pro-scum"

nothing means anything, gg

...oh wait never mind you CAN game this setup and it's been done in the past

How do you know SIMYK is an alt when they keep denying it?

because everyone knows they're an alt? do you think secret alts all go and admit that they're alts?

why do you care?

scum is {Janitor, Ircher, {mutant, A50}}

[Mathdino]

guys it doesn't make any sense for beefster to be lying

he'd just get fucked in massclaim

i doubt scum-him gets jailkeeper and thinks "oh boy lemme just pretend to be a VT instead of using my claim as a get out of jail free card later"

beefster is almost certainly vanilla

wouldn't mind if he ate vig tbh

Edit: you're in luck because lovebird is town

1. How is Lovebird town?
2. Didn’t you want to PL Beefster earlier?

1. i don't think your question is in good faith so i'm not answering that

2. how is that inconsistent with what i'm saying here

"beefster isn't lying" doesn't mean "beefster is town"
it just means beefster is probably actually vanilla and didn't get his tracker/jailkeeper pick

[Ircher]

Anyone feel like spoonfeeding me why any of the setup spec p1 makes sense?

Because most people get the setup spec wrong and I enjoy correcting them with facts and statistics :3

Seriously though, it can be helpful. Last game I was able to predict (and prevent) a mafia night kill and fairly confidently figure out one of the mafias through setup spec and analysis of past games. Sadly, I woke up dead that night since the mafia knew my role and had a vig. Town lost that game (mostly due to toxicity)

Ok, except I don’t see Math’s setup speccing here really helping anyone. It just makes it easier for scum to play around.

[Ircher]

Of mutant is scum here, consider me overly impressed. I have never seen him look townier!

What???? 95% of his posts deal with setup spec which is NAI at best.

[Ircher]

When was the last time he actually posted anything other than bad reads and confusion?? Here he is actually providing some information and cars to argue back with facts.

Point me to the multiple reads he made. I didn’t see them.

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

Let us all merely CAVORT ourselves FORWARD with Ahiru-tan in the inevitable direction （￣へ￣）

VOTE: Ircher

Anyone feel like spoonfeeding me why any of the setup spec p1 makes sense?

Because most people get the setup spec wrong and I enjoy correcting them with facts and statistics :3

Seriously though, it can be helpful. Last game I was able to predict (and prevent) a mafia night kill and fairly confidently figure out one of the mafias through setup spec and analysis of past games. Sadly, I woke up dead that night since the mafia knew my role and had a vig. Town lost that game (mostly due to toxicity)

Ok, except I don’t see Math’s setup speccing here really helping anyone. It just makes it easier for scum to play around.

Are you MISAPPREHENDING how Mathdino has had a BLATANT trajectory with regards to his READS ∑(O_O；) ? I cannot commence comprehending how one can contract his contributions in a compact custom as you have, he has done MORE than simply setup spec!

And for the RECORD, to be COGNIZANT of something is to express awareness of something (ʃ⌣́,⌣́ƪ). Bolding EVERY word I want to emphasize is far more tedious than capitalization and ALSO I can't do that on deviantart so yeah

Math-sensei, not EVERYONE mistakenly BELIEVES that I am an ALT so you can desist (￣^￣)

Of mutant is scum here, consider me overly impressed. I have never seen him look townier!

What???? 95% of his posts deal with setup spec which is NAI at best.

I can at least agree with this BUT it's not like this is difficult to say as scum so yeah

[Ircher]

also why no interest in the 4s and 5s?

That would be because you're not reading what I'm typing, perhaps?

fuck off, man

you know as well as i do that scum is not literally {1, 2, 3}

why is iconeum MORE likely to be scum than TW? why lynch in increasing order?

and since we know scum is not {1, 2, 3}, that confirms someone as scum outside that group. going by your logic, that would heavily implicate a 4 or 5.

your theory at its most basic makes sense -- there's scum in the low numbers. obviously.

but you don't seem to be acting in a way that's actually in line with you having thought through your draft-based setup spec.

Your argument is an argument of WIFOM: there is nothing preventing scum from doing 1-2-3 by ththey can. And I don’t necessarily consider that bad either.

[Mathdino]

VOTE: Ircher

[Ircher]

that they're a great motivation to stop people from

- making shit votes with 0 reasoning

- self-voting in lylo?

Just leave please.

[Mathdino]

god don't you guys love it when players catch up and 80% of their posts are nullifying other people's posts and calling everything NAI

instead of actually creating information

[Ircher]

have you been shot by a vigilante in this setup after getting cop cleared, jailkept, neighborized, and roleblocked?

no?

towns are stupid, i don't trust them

i will setup spec all i damn well please

I’ve never played this setup before; in fact, this like my 2nd game in the open queue (and the 1st one I replaced out of).
Pedit: I need time to fully sort genuine scumreads. I comment on things that I 1) feel confident about and 2) stick out to me. Most of the scum hunting that has taken place doesn’t really stick out. On the other hand, the setup spec does.

[Ircher]

In my history with Beefster I have seen

- town Beefster take the time to process Math's INTENSE LOGIC EXPLOSIONS and generally correctly conclude that he's coming from the right angle
- scum Beefster not take the time to process Math's INTENSE LOGIC EXPLOSIONS and suggest he's scum for them

Actual read progression/flip flopping in Earthbound is the only transgression I can think of

So my

firsr impeession

of Beef is

lolscum

, what makes you townread him?

I do strongly consider meta, but are you really confident enough with your meta read to call Beef “lockscum”?

careful with wording there (fml i can't spell)
1. first impression sod1
2. lolscum is a first impression read, 'lockscum' is something I pretty much only use mechanically

Sorry, I genuinely read it as lockscum; now I see it is lockscum and that makes more sense.

[Mathdino]

then that's your fault, not mine

because i've been doing loads of genuine scumhunting, and there's always those 2 or 3 players that laser focus on my setup spec for whatever reason

my entire thing on this site is breaking setups, i've broken 3 opens before

put your money where your mouth is -- if you want people to talk more about reads and less about setup, do it yourself

[the worst]

UNVOTE:

[the worst]

oops sorry missed the dayvig button

VOTE: Ircher

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

oops sorry missed the dayvig button

VOTE: Ircher

You had me there for a second Ahiru-tan ((●≧艸≦)

IRCHER if you want to talk about reads how about a readlist? (ﾉ´ヮ´)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧

[the worst]

You had me there for a second Ahiru-tan ((●≧艸≦)

sorry...
≥﹏≤

[Ircher]

i don't even know what to say to players like you

on page fucking 1 and 2, in which half the players hadn't posted yet, yes i'm going to focus on the information i have available to me

my reads are clearly independent of my setup spec, which only INFORMS my reads

you don't know the meaning of WIFOM. scum does not send in draft numbers in this setup to fake town out, they send it to rob town of PRs and get good PRs when possible

so talk to me in specifics instead of trashing everything i have to say

do you think 2 scum would pick the same number to fake out town? if so, who in this setup would do so? i already discussed this possibility
do you think scum would pick all high numbers, essentially guaranteeing town gets the cop?
do you think scum would pick {1, 2, 3}?

1) Same number —- No. That accomplished nothing; risk much greater than reward
2) All high numbers — Possible but they do risk getting locked out of certain roles
3) 123 — Absolutely! Explain why not—There may be a duplicate, but given your feelings on the matter, I feel that risk is justified.

It’s not simply a matter of nullifying everything you said. It’s just hard to figure where your reads are and why because there is so much setup spec intermixed.

Pedit: Math - Lean Scum; too much setup spec, hard to follow reads
Mutant - Neutral Scum; again, a lot of setup spec and not much in reads.
Taly - Lean Town - Liked the post they made
Almost50 - Null town - Nothing really notable to say here
Beefster - Null Scum - Hard to say; I know Almost50 townread here and math wants to PL; I remember most of Beefs posts being pretty lackluster
SIMYK - Likely Town - I like your posts in general and participation so far
Janitor - Neutral scum - Bunch of non-reads but hard to say that they have a high chance of being scum
Iconeum - Null Scum - Can’t remember anything significant from them other than a general scum vibe

[Ircher]

guys it doesn't make any sense for beefster to be lying

he'd just get fucked in massclaim

i doubt scum-him gets jailkeeper and thinks "oh boy lemme just pretend to be a VT instead of using my claim as a get out of jail free card later"

beefster is almost certainly vanilla

wouldn't mind if he ate vig tbh

Edit: you're in luck because lovebird is town

1. How is Lovebird town?
2. Didn’t you want to PL Beefster earlier?

1. i don't think your question is in good faith so i'm not answering that

2. how is that inconsistent with what i'm saying here

"beefster isn't lying" doesn't mean "beefster is town"
it just means beefster is probably actually vanilla and didn't get his tracker/jailkeeper pick

1) What makes you think 1) isn’t in good faith?
2) Fair enough I guess

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

Math - Lean Scum; too much setup spec, hard to follow reads

Again I do NOT see why this is the case? Can you possinly perchance show me a read you're having trouble understanding? Tome math-sensei's trajectory makes a lot of sense (ʃ⌣́,⌣́ƪ)

Taly - Lean Town - Liked the post they made

Eh? Could you be more specific? (OoO ;;)

Almost50 - Null town - Nothing really notable to say here

I pushed a whole case what did you think about that? (｀_´)ゞ

Janitor - Neutral scum - Bunch of non-reads but hard to say that they have a high chance of being scum

What do you think of MATH pushing him then?

Responses in BOLD! ^_^

[Ircher]

then that's your fault, not mine

because i've been doing loads of genuine scumhunting, and there's always those 2 or 3 players that laser focus on my setup spec for whatever reason

my entire thing on this site is breaking setups, i've broken 3 opens before

put your money where your mouth is -- if you want people to talk more about reads and less about setup, do it yourself

1) I highly doubt this setup is breakable primarily due to swing
2) You’ve done genuine scum hunting, but it is hard to follow when I going through linearly; furthermore, a lot of it is obscured by your setup speccing
3) That is true; real issue is I honestly don’t have much in terms of reads right now.
Pedit: I think part of the issue is understanding how I catch up. I’m not spending 2 minutes scrutinizing each post; I read through and if I find something I feel is worth commenting on, I do so. Again, the interspersing of setup spec and reads makes it hard to follow; also, my memory is decent but I don’t always pay attn well; quotes help in that respect.