Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

UglyDuck · Post Post #2400 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:03 pm

In post 2397, skitter30 wrote:
In post 2394, Oxy wrote:@skitter I thought you were clearing me because I was keeping track of VT claims, TW had softed VT, and any kill outside of Mathdino would have been performed with the intention of killing a PR.

I'm having trouble following your thinking. Why does the reason Mathdino was killed matter at all?
Yeah basically the first line.

I think UD's arguing that scum would have left math alive to lead town astray (and that therefore woudln't have been PR hunting). And I'm saying that I don't think scum!you does that either.

Please reference my previous post in the day where I literally say "we should stop doing this because skum probably just did it to create WIFOM... but they DID probably do it to try and find another PR".

skitter30 · Post Post #2401 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:08 pm

In post 2399, Oxy wrote:Oh. I think that UD is saying that they would have left mathdino alive because the value of killing confirmed-and maybe-bad!town is less than the value of potentially killing a PR.

I might do that depending on how bad Mathdino's reads are.
=)

p.edit he explained.

Huh.

I would have thought scum!you kills town!math irregardless. But he was also townreading you, so nm on that front I guess.

pinturicchio · Post Post #2402 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:15 pm

I'm a little lost, but I'll summon my townbloc and we'll solve this game. With the power of friendship! NSG! ruru! Dino! And our beloved pinturicchio!

Come on, gals and dinosaur, where we at. We have seven players to analyze, three of them are the scumteam. I love gambling, and scum leaving the IC alive was a bold move, so I'll make my play right now: hardclaim 1-shot cop, NSG town confirmed. Between those 7 players there's one PR, so 6 players where 3 are scum and we have two mislynches before LyLo. Let's do this.

AP, Draynth, Sunshine, Oxy, Uglyduck, Skitter and Not_Mafia.

If I had to bet for one of those being town, it would be Skitter.

If I had to mislynch one of those to avoid leaving him on LyLo, it would OBVIOUSLY be Not_Mafia.

If I had to bet who scum is trying to mislynch today, that would be Draynth.

And finally, if I had to bet who the scumteam is, that would be Oxy, Uglyduck and Sunshine. If I was wrong on one of those, I would love to be wrong on Oxy since he's a strong player, so my bet would be VOTE: UglyDuck

Bella ciao bella ciao bella ciao ciao ciao!

Oxy · Post Post #2403 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:19 pm

Ruru doesn't exist in Pin's world. =(

Oxy · Post Post #2404 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:21 pm

oh nm, I see her now, yay =)

Oxy · Post Post #2405 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:23 pm

That is a really believable result, though. I presume you picked NSG because you thought mathdino was a likely kill?

Mathdino · Post Post #2406 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:24 pm

why do people keep investigating NSG -_-

pinturicchio · Post Post #2407 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:27 pm

In post 2406, Mathdino wrote:why do people keep investigating NSG -_-

Because you weren't townreading her and I thought you were going to be killed and someone had to conf!town her since she has good reads. I was already townreading Mohab, but that slot needed credibility

Mathdino · Post Post #2408 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:28 pm

well whatever you were already locktown in my mind anyway
someone go reevalute ruru for me and make sure that read is good

AP, Draynth, Sunshine, Oxy, Uglyduck, Skitter and Not_Mafia.

draynth is literally not playing the game after softclaiming PR dude. i mean come on this is getting ridiculous

not_mafia is playing his scumgame as well

AP and sunshine are both clearly town imo
oxy/uglyduck/sunshine makes no sense
what is it about draynth's wagon that makes you think scum are actually trying to mislynch him

pinturicchio · Post Post #2409 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:29 pm

It's the same to making the Vig shoot someone town decides; my reads are not as good as I think they are, so investigating someone like Ugly would have been a horrible mistake if he was town. NSG can solve this game better than me. Now we have you and NSG as conf!town, so help me solve this Mr. Dinosaur.

Mathdino · Post Post #2410 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:30 pm

i'd have done oxy, sunshine, or AP in your position, but it's cool

NSG being town basically lends even more credibility to her draynth push so that might've backfired on you

the next goal that i've been putting off is finding scumpartners for draynth

northsidegal · Post Post #2411 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:35 pm

man, all of the 2018 newbies really haven't seen my terrible scumgame, have they?

Mathdino · Post Post #2412 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:37 pm

yeah like geriatric white flag amirite

Mathdino · Post Post #2413 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:38 pm

is it time for massclaim? it feels like time for massclaim.

someone cc draynth if you have the ability to do so.

NSG who are draynth's buddies

skitter30 · Post Post #2414 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:39 pm

Great.

Draynth's scum, ud's probably scum, and the last scum is someone who thought killing tw was a good idea last night. Or at least, someone who didn't understand the gamestate well enough to get that tw was a weird kill. I'd bet nm.

If not nm, I'd go oxy, sunshine, or AP, but I think it's just nm.

P-edit: hi, that would be me.

Mathdino · Post Post #2415 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:40 pm

are you tracker or jailkeeper

draynth is gonna claim the other one anyway and scum already knows what you are

skitter30 · Post Post #2416 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:41 pm

Tracker.

Mathdino · Post Post #2417 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:41 pm

results?

pinturicchio · Post Post #2418 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:41 pm

In post 2408, Mathdino wrote: what is it about draynth's wagon that makes you think scum are actually trying to mislynch him

Draynth's wagon on D1 formed on sand, and then everything has been about his "PR softclaim", which I believe it was a scum misrepresentation of the situation. Draynth was at L-2 when he said he wasn't going to claim could be either be VT or PR; scum wasn't sure if he was a PR or a VT, decided that if he was VT he was an easy mislynch on D2 and that was an optimal situation, left him alive and started pushing him until he claims. How anti town is pushing Draynth until he claims if everyone thinks he's a PR?

Yes, I'm paranoid as fuck, maybe I'm thinking this too much and it's just scum!Draynth, but even if it is, UglyDuck would still be his partner, so...

skitter30 · Post Post #2419 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:41 pm

Sunshine didn't go anywhere last night.

Mathdino · Post Post #2420 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:43 pm

do you have any breadcrumbs or softclaims?

Oxy · Post Post #2421 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:43 pm

huh. I had sunshine pegged as a pr

Oxy · Post Post #2422 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:47 pm

town:
Mathdino
NSG
Pinturicchio
Skitter
Oxy

Draynth
AP
Sunshine
UglyDuck

so this game is over without cc's, yeah? fmpov, anyway

pinturicchio · Post Post #2423 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:47 pm

In post 2421, Oxy wrote:huh. I had sunshine pegged as a pr

Why didn't you kill him last night then?

Mathdino · Post Post #2424 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 6:48 pm

almost like PR hunting as town is anti-town

okay draynth or skitter is scum. draynth will claim jailkeeper.

we should actually not lynch draynth today
why?

assuming draynth doesn't want to straight up scumclaim, if we leave him alive it guarantees another night of safety for both me and skitter. skitter's death mechanically confirms draynth as town, my death confirms he failed to jail me.

this gives skitter another night to track whoever she wants. there should be 0 discussion on who skitter should target tonight. tracker isn't about guessing scum, it's about guessing who would perform the nightkill.

let's lynch some scumbuddies