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Post Post #2450 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 7:14 pm

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In post 2445, pinturicchio wrote:
In post 2441, northsidegal wrote:i hope it's draynth/NM/uglyduck so that i was right

maybe it's not uglyduck though, if i'm wrong on one i think it'd be him
You were scumreading me too!! Second game you're wrong about me, now you have to tell me that wonderful metaread you have on me! It's a siterule, I read it somewhere
i didn't actually apply it this game because i replaced in

if i had applied it it would've actually pointed to you being town though i think? i guess i should've trusted it.
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Post Post #2451 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 7:18 pm

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In post 2449, Mathdino wrote:hey skitz why not track draynth if you were hunting for PRs?
I thought about that and in restrospect I should've, but I thought he was a PR that self-resolve over night:

-> vig would have resulted in another death that he would claim (and if he was lying about claiming it he'd be dead tonight)

-> cop would just have announced their result today

-> jk would have resulted in him likely being dead.

The tw death really threw me for a loop and wasn't really compatible with what I thought would happen overnight if he was a pr.

I think I have tendency to overthink things a bit ...
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Post Post #2452 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 7:47 pm

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In post 2443, Mathdino wrote:also it occurs to me that if pintu is town, draynth is just going to perform the nightkill every night anyway since it's not like he can be MORE confscum to skitter than he already is
Actually this is a good point and what's probably what's going to happen.

We're effectively cc'ing each other and leaving him overnight won't really provide a way to resolve it. And even if they can't kill me/math without outing draynth as scum, I'm unlikely to track someone else doing the nk while he's alive.

VOTE: draynth
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Post Post #2453 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 10:17 pm

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In post 2452, skitter30 wrote:
In post 2443, Mathdino wrote:also it occurs to me that if pintu is town, draynth is just going to perform the nightkill every night anyway since it's not like he can be MORE confscum to skitter than he already is
Actually this is a good point and what's probably what's going to happen.

We're effectively cc'ing each other and leaving him overnight won't really provide a way to resolve it. And even if they can't kill me/math without outing draynth as scum, I'm unlikely to track someone else doing the nk while he's alive.

VOTE: draynth
is it cop tracker IC? weird that is so strange *sarcasm*
also, no CC to either role? Fuck me again, but I think that screams that we still have one of those two roles that are not these players (putting aside a Draynth CC which would have to be looked at differently).

Skum is 100% in a town hard read right now. Also probably Draynth. And no one answered me before - I want to vote here but the L1 this early seems like a bad play.
Should I wait, or should I vote? #Clash
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Post Post #2454 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 10:19 pm

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In post 2453, UglyDuck wrote:Skum is 100% in a town hard read right now.
why and who
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Post Post #2455 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 10:36 pm

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In post 2453, UglyDuck wrote:is it cop tracker IC? weird that is so strange *sarcasm*
also, no CC to either role? Fuck me again, but I think that screams that we still have one of those two roles that are not these players (putting aside a Draynth CC which would have to be looked at differently).

Skum is 100% in a town hard read right now. Also probably Draynth. And no one answered me before - I want to vote here but the L1 this early seems like a bad play.
Should I wait, or should I vote? #Clash
Pin claimed cop. I'm claiming tracker. Draynth heavily alluded to being a PR and used that to get out of a lynch yesterday. There's absolutely scum in the three of us, and in me/draynth if you believe pin.

I don't get why you think 'we still have one of those two roles that are not these players'.

Also draynth's at like L-3 if I counted correctly since oxy unvoted so idk why you're so reluctant to vote there.
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Post Post #2456 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 10:49 pm

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In post 2390, Sunshine13 wrote:
In post 2386, ruru wrote: Like, suppose Draynth was cop and shared his result and then we lynched him because of wifom. Congrats?
He already said he’s not.
If Draynth is town then scum didn't know that n1
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Post Post #2457 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 10:53 pm

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okay wait a second guys

suppose draynth is scum and doesn't want to scumclaim

if we leave draynth alive, scum can't kill me (because draynth is "jailing" me) and can't kill skitter (which would conf draynth as scum)

if we lynch draynth now, scum must kill skitter, and then kills from {pintu, NSG, Math} which is probably me

draynth alive:
- scum kills pintu/NSG

draynth dead:
- scum kills skitter/math

i kiiiiinda wanna leave draynth alive selfishly
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Post Post #2458 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 10:57 pm

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plus if we lynch outside of the PRs, we can assign skitter to track draynth

if she gets a result of draynth jailing me, then scum is in {pintu, skitter}

if she doesn't, then it further confirms pintu as town

so it helps in that worst case scenario

we should be lynching partners today imo
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Post Post #2459 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 11:20 pm

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I really want to see Draynth's result...
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Post Post #2460 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2018 11:38 pm

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Votecount 2.5

Draynth(3)
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UglyDuck(2)
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Not Voting (6): Mathdino(44), Draynth(2), Sunshine13(9), UglyDuck(14), northsidegal(28), (43)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2018-05-13 07:00:00)


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Post Post #2461 (ISO) » Sun May 06, 2018 12:07 am

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Lynch the guilty, NEXT
Also, what is Not_Mafia doing? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen.
I will SEARCH for games with you and N_M to help you policy him.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
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Post Post #2462 (ISO) » Sun May 06, 2018 12:09 am

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who are the partners N_M
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Post Post #2463 (ISO) » Sun May 06, 2018 12:14 am

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How should I know?
Also, what is Not_Mafia doing? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen.
I will SEARCH for games with you and N_M to help you policy him.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
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Post Post #2464 (ISO) » Sun May 06, 2018 3:14 am

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I find myself looking forward to Draynth’a claim.

Basically, assuming true claims right now: Math pintu NSG and skitter are conf!town

I didn’t perform the NK as per skitter’s tracking

Draynth has claimed PR, but is probably scum.

Oxy AP UD NM ruru remaining.

I’ve been townreading AP and ruru throughout.

Scumpartners thus potentially UD NM and Oxy, in that order.

UD has been posting oddly recently, and doesn’t quite seem engaged with the game at the same time, hence why we should go for him if we’re not going for Draynth.

VOTE: UD
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Post Post #2465 (ISO) » Sun May 06, 2018 3:45 am

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@Dino again, and proving my point about Draynth, you're already assuming that he'll claim JK and everything about your plan assumes that. If we lynch somebody else today, skitter is dead and scum!Draynth will say that he hasn't claimed yet and claim VT. CAN WE STOP HELPING SCUM PLS?
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Post Post #2466 (ISO) » Sun May 06, 2018 3:57 am

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Wait so what do you want to do pin
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Post Post #2467 (ISO) » Sun May 06, 2018 4:34 am

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In post 272, Scioness Sajj wrote:some thoughts:

sunshine is okay, so is ruru.
dino and pintu are fine to but cannot be trusted.
not buying mohab's excuse for wanting to get lynched.
oxy seems a lot less opinionated and that's worrying.
the rest is whatever.
Assuming all current claims are correct, and that ruru was too obv!town for scum to push on,

We have a town read for sunshine,

light shade thrown on confirmed town dino and pintu

shade thrown on confirmed town, NSG

shade thrown on town!oxy

If Scioness was scum, this entire list was spewed town, with a small possibility that she put her partner, sunshine, into her early town reads.

Then, later, Scioness is scum reading UD, but also vehemently argues against Ofrhz's scum read on UD:
In post 1533, Scioness Sajj wrote:
In post 532, ofrhz wrote:
In post 512, UglyDuck wrote:<snip>
I'm not really seeing this? Someone brought up that vig is anti-town because a vig could just mis-fire on town, so I was trying to get at an optimal vig play here.

I kinda feel like you're going after me for being an easier mislynch than ruru.
VOTE: UglyDuck call it omgus, idgaf
no clue what to think of this, the content as nothing to do with the vote.
This was my case against UglyDuck. I pointed out why several of his reads were bad in a scummy way. His readlist was scummy because 1) wow hedging and 2) UglyDuck probably thought I was an easy lynch and went to push for it based on really bad reasons.
Your 1st point was an observation and a question. Your 2nd point was 'a lot of hedging' and you've bolded where UD has explained why he has Pin in null category and explained what makes UD think pintu is scummy. In your 3rd point, you have disagreed that ruru has any previous experience. In your 4th point, you disagree with him again. None of those explain your why you think those things come from scum nor is it actually a case against UD. Your hedging argument is really meh and in the end, you have called the whole thing omgus. Calling your case against someone omgus is a convenient way to dodge responsibility for your vote and explain weak arguments.
There's not a huge amount in her ISO about why UD is scum - It's basically "wobbly read list" and a lamist post about mohab replacing out.
In post 1674, Scioness Sajj wrote:
In post 1553, AP wrote:My TR on oxy is wearing out. Both him and Sajj refuse to vote each other. Sajj even avoided the Draynth wagon and went for a new wagon on ofrhz (did I spell that right?)
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There is nothing in her iso about why she didn't want to vote draynth. In fact, her entire discussion of draynth is basically one multi paragraph response to an innocuous question by draynth, and this comment.

What I'm saying is, {Draynth, NM, UD} looks pretty darn consistent to me.
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Post Post #2468 (ISO) » Sun May 06, 2018 4:43 am

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In post 2457, Mathdino wrote:okay wait a second guys

suppose draynth is scum and doesn't want to scumclaim

if we leave draynth alive, scum can't kill me (because draynth is "jailing" me) and can't kill skitter (which would conf draynth as scum)

if we lynch draynth now, scum must kill skitter, and then kills from {pintu, NSG, Math} which is probably me

draynth alive:
- scum kills pintu/NSG

draynth dead:
- scum kills skitter/math

i kiiiiinda wanna leave draynth alive selfishly
Can we just like get a claim out of him first? If he decides to claim lolvt then this whole thought process is moot and we just lynch him today.

If you don't want to lynch him today, when do you want to lynch him?
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Post Post #2469 (ISO) » Sun May 06, 2018 5:02 am

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draynth is already basically confirmed scum, i think the idea that they "can't" kill you is a little silly.
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Post Post #2470 (ISO) » Sun May 06, 2018 5:07 am

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Yeah, basically.

Even if draynth does claim lol-jk at best all we do is push this debate off to tomorrow with me getting no new info overnight (ie best I can do most likely is see draynth doing the kill, which isn't really providing providing new info to anyone at this point)

That's assuming I'm not just nk'd, which tbh they might do irregardless of what draynth claims.
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Post Post #2471 (ISO) » Sun May 06, 2018 5:10 am

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Along that line of thinking I guess it's relevant that someone else will have to perform the nk if we lynch Draynth today
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Post Post #2472 (ISO) » Sun May 06, 2018 5:16 am

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But yeah I guess there's a high chance they just nk you so we may as well not play around your n2 action
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Post Post #2473 (ISO) » Sun May 06, 2018 5:26 am

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Do we think that scum!UD gave an accurate analysis of why we should scum read him in this post?

Spoiler:
In post 935, UglyDuck wrote:
In post 800, brassherald wrote:Pagetop

Votecount 1.8

ofrhz(3)
~ (20), (114), (85)

UglyDuck(2)
~ (31), (78)
ruru(1)
~ (56)
Oxy(1)
~ (33)
Mathdino(1)
~ (182)
AP(1)
~ (55)


Not Voting (3): (27), (44), (36) , (16)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-30 16:45:00)


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I have obviously used Mathdino's coding to use the automated voting settings here. So, thank you to him as I tried and could not get it working when I opened the game.
So the above was the most recent official VC (from like half a day ago or something). Currently we are at:

ofrhz(1) ~ UglyDuck(20),
UglyDuck(5) ~ pinturicchio(31), ofrhz(78), Mathdino(114), Oxy(85), AP(56)
Oxy(1) ~ Scioness Sajj(33)
Mathdino(1) ~ the worst(182)
AP(1) ~ ruru(55)

Not Voting (3): Sunshine13(27), Mohab500(44), skitter30(36) , Draynth(16)


Little wagon analysis to be taken into consideration.
The ofrhz wagon just literally 100% dismantled itself to move to me (Math and Oxy both moving from ofrhz to me, leaving me the only one on ofrhz). AP jumped off their random OMGUS ruru vote to bring it to L2.
Reasons aside for a second - just look at the layout of the votes rn.

I have to write this up from my perspective as Town, and obv there are not a lot of people that think I am, but just try for a second:
- If I am skum then assuredly within the 5 voting me now there must also be skum. But like what, absolutely 0 attempt at a counter wagon on anyone else? If you think I am skum then it should make AP look super towny actually because they could of jumped on ofrhz with me.
- Now, as it happens, not skum here. So what just happened is a wagon was just dismantled to create my L-2. This actually creates the exact opposite point for AP and FOS hard on ofrhz. Skum loves Town vs Town Wagons, so if I am town AND ofrhz is town... this situation should not be happening.

I guess the exception to the above would be if actually 100% of skum is all not voting currently, but I find that unlikely.
Obv this isn't going to mean a ton if you are not willing to consider my pov, but I would give it a read.
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Post Post #2474 (ISO) » Sun May 06, 2018 5:49 am

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In post 2412, Mathdino wrote:yeah like geriatric white flag amirite
?? Would that be AG or CoA?
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