Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[ruru]

Do we think that scum!UD gave an accurate analysis of why we should scum read him in this post?

Mmmmm not really

I don't feel like "haha! that thing you thought on d1 would make you scum if it's true" is indicative of someone being scum

I don't personally feel like his d1 was scummy aside from a) typically not posting unless he was getting voted (probably a weak indicator) and b) pushing ofrhz in general (before ofrhz started gamethrowing)

My main reasons for sring him right now are the early ofrhz push (which I also kinda suspect you for) and it feels like he's hedging on Draynth / randomly throwing shade around

[Oxy]

I don't feel like "haha! that thing you thought on d1 would make you scum if it's true" is indicative of someone being scum

Right. I'm not actually arguing that interpretation.

I'm asking if we even think it could be in UD's scum range to give what amounts to an accurate reason on why he should be scum read.

Because if the team is {UD, NM, Draynth}, that is exactly what UD did.

I'm asking if this post is a reason to town read UD, not if this post is a reason to scum read UD.

[ruru]

Interesting

[Oxy]

Interesting

Yeah? Got any thoughts?

[ruru]

I guess I find the post somewhat towny but I don't think ofrhz flipping green makes it more towny

[UglyDuck]

is it cop tracker IC? weird that is so strange *sarcasm*
also, no CC to either role? Fuck me again, but I think that screams that we still have one of those two roles that are not these players (putting aside a Draynth CC which would have to be looked at differently).

Skum is 100% in a town hard read right now. Also probably Draynth. And no one answered me before - I want to vote here but the L1 this early seems like a bad play.
Should I wait, or should I vote? #Clash

Pin claimed cop. I'm claiming tracker. Draynth heavily alluded to being a PR and used that to get out of a lynch yesterday. There's absolutely scum in the three of us, and in me/draynth if you believe pin.

I don't get why you think 'we still have one of those two roles that are not these players'.

Also draynth's at like L-3 if I counted correctly since oxy unvoted so idk why you're so reluctant to vote there.

I am saying the fact there has been no counter claim to any PR actually claimed to this point is suspicious.

And right you are he’s L3 i miscounted.
VOTE: Draynth

[Oxy]

I've never seen the absence of a counter claim used as a reason to scum read a claim.

[skitter30]

And I'm saying that I'm effectively cc'ing one of draynth/pin, except that I believe pin and draynth's acting sketchy.

Like you're saying that it's suspicious that nobody cc'd me/pin when I'm basically the one doing the cc to draynth? Yeah I get that he didn't *actually* claim PR but he strongly softed and used that to not be lynched yesterday. Like I feel like you're trying to throw shade on me/pin and yet you're voting with me to vote draynth.

[ruru]

I am saying the fact there has been no counter claim to any PR actually claimed to this point is suspicious.

[AP]

I'm in work at the minute will catch up and post when I get home

54 hours and Draynth is still at work and never got home to catch up and post. Please give him a couple more decades and he'll be back.

[Draynth]

I'm in work at the minute will catch up and post when I get home

54 hours and Draynth is still at work and never got home to catch up and post. Please give him a couple more decades and he'll be back.

Appreciate the extra time thanks, tricky client to deal with

I'm the town JK, targeted MD n1

[northsidegal]

hm

[northsidegal]

maybe we should try something cute with leaving draynth alive?

[northsidegal]

like, maybe lynching NM and saying that draynth has to jailkeep skitter is the way to go.

[AP]

like, maybe lynching NM and saying that draynth has to jailkeep skitter is the way to go.

That would guarantee the NK to hot Mathdino, so not my ideal choice.

Maybe JK DINO though. If Scum kill the JK Skitter is toast. If they kill Skitter Draynth is toast. If they kill Pin you are mod-confirmed. Skitter tracks Draynth though would create the perfect loop.

VOTE: N_M

[UglyDuck]

I've never seen the absence of a counter claim used as a reason to scum read a claim.

Does that make it wrong? I mean I am not saying that it is a reason to be used universally all the time. Also, I stand by my statement at the time that I said it.
However, now that Draynth has ACTUALLY claimed - yeah it is up between Skitter and Draynth imo.

ppe5

[northsidegal]

If Scum kill the JK Skitter is toast. If they kill Skitter Draynth is toast.

these both rely on assuming that pintu is town

if we lynch NM and tell draynth to jailkeep skitter, that puts scum in the scenario of either confscuming one of themselves by shooting skitter or allowing skitter to get another track (assuming that draynth is lying)

i guess maybe we really should just lynch draynth, huh?

VOTE: draynth

[AP]

Let me repeat:

Draynth protects Dino
Skitter tracks Draynth
Scum can't shoot any of the PR claims so they are forced to shoot elsewhere

[Mathdino]

Okay, so he's not claiming VT.

Night actions:
Draynth jails me
skitter tracks Draynth

This accounts for both situations in which skitter and pintu are randomly scum, and ensures skitter and I live through the night.
This probably kills pintu and NSG, granted.

also i don't think UD really understands how this setup works

[Mathdino]

Any further attempts to lynch Draynth will be treated as an attempt to kill me/skitter.

[northsidegal]

why don't scum just kill skitter in that plan?

[skitter30]

If Scum kill the JK Skitter is toast. If they kill Skitter Draynth is toast.

these both rely on assuming that pintu is town

if we lynch NM and tell draynth to jailkeep skitter, that puts scum in the scenario of either confscuming one of themselves by shooting skitter or allowing skitter to get another track (assuming that draynth is lying)

i guess maybe we really should just lynch draynth, huh?

VOTE: draynth

I'm pretty sure that the only thing I'll see happening is draynth doing the nk though.

(Though he'll claim that I'm lying tomorrow and that he jk'd me)

[skitter30]

why don't scum just kill skitter in that plan?

Cuz I'm draynth's cc and when I flip tracker he's getting lynched

[AP]

This probably kills pintu and NSG, granted.

I'd say NSG over pintu everytime. Shooting Pintu = NSG is confirmed a townie, while shooting NSG =/= Pintu confirmed Cop.

[brassherald]

Votecount 2.6

Draynth(4)

~ Not_Mafia(3), skitter30(37), UglyDuck(16), northsidegal(34)

UglyDuck(3)

~ ruru(35), pinturicchio(24), Sunshine13(10)

Not_Mafia(1)

~ AP(22)


Not Voting (3): Mathdino(47), Draynth(3), Oxy(48)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2018-05-13 07:00:00)