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[Ramcius]

did we lost already?

[Sando]

did we lost already?

Down from 41 to ~20 with 1 scum hit? I think we're looking at roughly 50/50 scum numbers at this point.

[Ramcius]

did we lost already?

Down from 41 to ~20 with 1 scum hit? I think we're looking at roughly 50/50 scum numbers at this point.

2 scum hit and we confirmed multiball - Grits and Munitions as scum teams

29 v 6 v 6 isn't likely with so few scum kills, so i'd say we still have majority, but it looks really grim

[Sando]

Ah I missed the second scum hit, but yeah those numbers don't seem unreasonable, 2 scumteams confirmed yeah?

Still, doesn't that leave it at 10 v 5 v 5?

[Ramcius]

Ah I missed the second scum hit, but yeah those numbers don't seem unreasonable, 2 scumteams confirmed yeah?

Still, doesn't that leave it at 10 v 5 v 5?

Snarky was Grits traitor, NM Munitions goon

well, kills are 19 v 1 v 1, so either town is really bad at shooting or numbers for scums are pretty low

[Sando]

well, kills are 19 v 1 v 1, so either town is really bad at shooting or numbers for scums are pretty low

I'm going with option 1 from personal experience

[Sando]

well, kills are 19 v 1 v 1, so either town is really bad at shooting or numbers for scums are pretty low

If scum numbers are low they says they have "protection" like BP though yeah? They still haven't had a BP flip town afaik. Any townies flipped strongarm? It's almost like they should have instituted a system to stop people randomly shooting to answer these questions or something...

[Ramcius]

well, kills are 19 v 1 v 1, so either town is really bad at shooting or numbers for scums are pretty low

If scum numbers are low they says they have "protection" like BP though yeah? They still haven't had a BP flip town afaik. Any townies flipped strongarm? It's almost like they should have instituted a system to stop people randomly shooting to answer these questions or something...

It's almost like scums used protection circle to not get shot while town was killing each other

You can't have discussion in 41p game, it would be madness, especially when people joined game to shoot each other, not to try solve setup

[Ankamius]

Yeah, honestly the PRICKS thing is going to cause a lot more issues than anything.

And Sando is scum

Sup

I'm genuinely surprised you weren't.

[Ankamius]

I guess I get shot tomorrow being in everyone null lists

SHOOT THIS

[Ankamius]

Sando:

Taly, there's a reason the lolshots are both on and flipping town.

Effort is NAI when you can be lolkilled for just looking at someone wrong.

Scum are among those that haven't shot yet, those hiding behind the block, and coasters.

Scum have no reason to shoot unless they're about to be shot.
Scum have every reason to try to look as town as possible.

So, of course everyone who was shot for lolshooting is town (barring not_mafia, who would do that as either faction). Why wouldn't they?
If I was scum, of course I'd hide behind the 'townblock' and try to effort up as much as possible. That's literally a free incentive to not be lolshot.
Of course some people don't do that as scum, so they are coasting too. I imagine a chunk of these people who don't have strong reads on them are scum as well, but these are the ones that are going to get culled anyways.

The reason town is probably going to lose this game is because people are wrongfully cleared.

[Ankamius]

TBH I regret playing while I was really tired

I'd probably still be alive, but even otherwise if I was thinking more clearly, I would've shot lovebird after her second or third post responding to me. It didn't hit me how scummy they were until after I was already dead.

[McMenno]

man, you are salty.

You got goaded into shooting basically the most town-read person in the game...who turned out to be town. I aint salty, I find this hilarious...mostly because I'm three-sheets to the wind, but still, hilarious.

you sound pretty salty tbh

[Sando]

Scum have no reason to shoot unless they're about to be shot.
Scum have every reason to try to look as town as possible.

So, of course everyone who was shot for lolshooting is town (barring not_mafia, who would do that as either faction). Why wouldn't they?

Scum are playing to their win condition, town are not, it's fairly simple. Lolshooting is a towntell, but it's not helping town win, and as you say, scum aren't going to loshoot, so the only way to even the odds is to get town to stop lolshooting.

[Sando]

The reason town is probably going to lose this game is because people are wrongfully cleared.

Are you implying PRICKS was attempting to townblock? I said maybe a dozen times that it's NAI at best.

Only people who were pretty much universally seen as town was Taly, me and Creature, and oh look 2 of those have flipped town. Wrongful clears don't really seem like they're hurting town so much...

[Ankamius]

Scum have no reason to shoot unless they're about to be shot.
Scum have every reason to try to look as town as possible.

So, of course everyone who was shot for lolshooting is town (barring not_mafia, who would do that as either faction). Why wouldn't they?

Scum are playing to their win condition, town are not, it's fairly simple. Lolshooting is a towntell, but it's not helping town win, and as you say, scum aren't going to loshoot, so the only way to even the odds is to get town to stop lolshooting.

Town isn't playing to their win condition because they're trying to enforce an unenforceable system.

People are going to shoot because it's

SMART

to have a hair trigger in this game. It's smart to blow your kill on a scumread if you believe someone is looking to shoot you. If you're pretty certain you're not going to survive, then it doesn't matter if your target is part of a club that retaliates shots.

All that the system really does is provide a fake cushion against being shot. Scum are going to be looking to get into that block because they're going to be much more safe since less people are looking to shoot them. So in all actuality, town's real win condition is to set that up and then destroy it if it's used at all, because treating it like a townblock is asking for town to lose.

[Ankamius]

Scum have no reason to shoot unless they're about to be shot.
Scum have every reason to try to look as town as possible.

So, of course everyone who was shot for lolshooting is town (barring not_mafia, who would do that as either faction). Why wouldn't they?

Scum are playing to their win condition, town are not, it's fairly simple. Lolshooting is a towntell, but it's not helping town win, and as you say, scum aren't going to loshoot, so the only way to even the odds is to get town to stop lolshooting.

I'm seeing a lot of people being townread because effort and scumread because no effort.

[Sando]

People are going to shoot because it's SMART to have a hair trigger in this game.

What are we talking about here, lolshooting or town playing smart, cause it can't be both. The entire point of the block is to get the discussion we're currently having, happening in game, and get people actually playing smart and being read off that rather than everything being a lolshoot.

because treating it like a townblock is asking for town to lose

I dunno how many times it needs to be said...the block is not a townblock or even a towntell.

[Ankamius]

Well, the issue is that there's always going to be people shooting from outside of that alliance.

The moment you get to the point where that's dominant... you're probably already looking at a scum win.

[Ankamius]

So you can try to organize things, but ultimately the people that are going to support only shooting based on the consensus is never going to be realistically able to eliminate everyone else before there's not much left to have a consensus on.

[Ankamius]

Well, actually, you

can

, but like what was just established, the initial culling is going to be a lot of town.

[Sando]

So you can try to organize things, but ultimately the people that are going to support only shooting based on the consensus is never going to be realistically able to eliminate everyone else before there's not much left to have a consensus on.

You don't have to shoot via consensus, that was something Taly advocated that I was happy to go along with, but there's plenty of ways to do it, including just letting people shoot with reasoning etc. Literally the only thing it's supposed to cut out is lolshooting.

[Ankamius]

What do you consider lolshooting?

[Sando]

The moment you get to the point where that's dominant... you're probably already looking at a scum win.

How does it "get dominant"? The 'rules' have no bearing on people outside the block shooting outside the block.

Lolshooting = shooting with zero reasoning and being unable to read intent from

[Sando]

I mean seriously, the entire intent is to go from a group of people who contain town and scum, to a group of people who contain town and scum who agree not to lolshoot each other. That's the entire plan of the block, that's literally all it is.