Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[northsidegal]

why don't scum just kill skitter in that plan?

Cuz I'm draynth's cc and when I flip tracker he's getting lynched

I mean, tracker isn't a counterclaim to jailkeeper. They could both theoretically exist and pintu would be the one fakeclaiming. It wouldn't be mechanically confirmed.

[Sunshine13]

So we’ve had four of the five PRs claim so far, and the only way for tw to have died is likely the fifth one, excepting weird scum motive.

Anyone want to go for it?

Any particular reason you waited ‘til now to claim proper, Draynth? I mean that was two sentences; you didn’t have 30 seconds to post that? Not on the can, before bed, something like that?

As fer no cc’s, if you can come up with a good reason that scum!skitter and scum!pintu decide to fakeclaim despite being broadly townread, I’ll call you a good bullshitter.

[skitter30]

Yes, but I don't think anyone's actually doubting pin atm.

Scum!pin means town!me and town!draynth and I see draynth jk'ing math.

I guess in the universe of not-scum!draynth, scum!pin does kill me overnight to get draynth lynched tomorrow? But I don't think that pin's scum though. Or, more accurately, between pin and draynth draynth's like a billion times scummier than pin.

Also town!me and town!draynth means the setup is jk/ic/tracker which is just like ...?

And jk!draynth isn't dead last night because ...? Scum!pin would be trying to setup draynth for not being dead last night imo but he's like ... not doing that.

[skitter30]

As fer no cc’s, if you can come up with a good reason that scum!skitter and scum!pintu decide to fakeclaim despite being broadly townread, I’ll call you a good bullshitter.

In the interest of being thorough I wasn't broadly townread.

[Sunshine13]

Well you were never seriously considered a good lynch candidate. Your name came up, but no wagons or anyone really saying it should happen.

[skitter30]

Yeah that's what I was going for. I do admit to playing up my disengagement a bit cuz I knew that ultimately I was never getting lynched yesterday.

And I know that I spew too much sometimes so I was trying *super* hard not to spew PR by mistake which I think made my posts more stilted/forced/careful then they usually are.

[Oxy]

I don't understand why a pr wouldn't claim by now, so I fully expect these to be all of the claims we get this game.

If draynth is scum, and we lynch him today, we walk into tomorrow with 3 confirmed town.

If we leave draynth until tomorrow, and the team is something like {Pintu, sunshine, AP}, we might lose this in 5-player lylo with an oxy mislynch.
(scum kills skitter N2, we lynch draynth D3, scum kills MD, we lynch Pintu D4, scum kills ruru, 5 man of {AP, Sunshine, NSG, UglyDuck, Oxy} finds an oxy/uglyduck lynch often enough)

/paranoia off

If we're not lynching draynth, I'm pretty okay with either N_M or UglyDuck. I keep going back and forth on which I want more.

[Mathdino]

i mean keep in mind sunshine is the same player that refused to unvote me after i hardclaimed PR

[Oxy]

so switch up sunshine and NSG in the scum team - or replace him with uglyduck.

[Oxy]

I know the mech solve thing kind of gets you off, so I'm willing to defer, but I AM paranoid.

[skitter30]

math, are you still townreading oxy?

I'm low-key going back to the scenario where scum!oxy has town!math pocketed

[Sunshine13]

i mean keep in mind sunshine is the same player that refused to unvote me after i hardclaimed PR

That had more to do with me being quite exhausted with how long D1 had lasted, the person I wanted to lynch telling me to move my vote, and that making me want to play chicken with them to gauge reactions.

[Mathdino]

well now that 4 of us are confirmed, sure let's talk oxy

@sunshine: i mean i was hoping to get out of D1 not having to reveal so

[Mathdino]

like someone summarise why oxy makes sense as scum

he can't pocket me if i'm an innocent child lol

[pinturicchio]

Why the fuck would I claim 1-shot cop when I was being townread already. I think I've been vote like once in the entire game. Same with skitter, why the fuck would she claim tracker. I was waiting for a vt claim from draynth, now we should lynch him to avoid any WIFOM on D2. But I think I understand Dino's reasoning: if we lynch Ugly and he flips red (which he totally will), Draynth "protects" Dino (pffft) and skitter tracks Draynth. If Dino doesn't die and skitter gets a result, I'm scum (pfffft). If skitter lies and says he got a result when in reality he's not the tracker, he will be instalynched the next day after you guys lynch me. If skitter says Draynth didn't move, we lynch Draynth and if skitter lies, he get's instalynched next day... Easy.

Let's lynch Ugly

[pinturicchio]

LAMIST!Oxy on the last pages after the claim is not enough? He's talking about a {Pin, Sunshine, AP} I mean come the fuck on, at least say something like {Pin, NSG, Not_Mafia} since I confirmed NSG as town and I don't want to read Not_Mafia.

[Oxy]

Whatever, man, be derisive, but you make that play in exactly the type of scenario where none of the wolves are people's top lynch and you want to turn the two days prior to lylo into a game of mechanics for two days where no one really has to make hard reads.

[Oxy]

you're not confirmed from my point of view.

You preempted my claim yesterday because you thought I was scummy and that you could win the 1v1 (you were right) - Draynth is a similar situation.

You're dead wrong about me with seemingly no interest in reevaluating

And there are multiple teams in which this gives scum!you a good shot at a 5-player lylo mislynch.

It's not THAT far fetched.

[Oxy]

you preempted my claim last game***

[Oxy]

and 1 shot cop is a claim that doesn't necessarily get NK'd in a world of other IC's and claimed PR's, so you won't catch flak for staying alive.

[Sunshine13]

well now that 4 of us are confirmed, sure let's talk oxy

@sunshine: i mean i was hoping to get out of D1 not having to reveal so

Lack of intestinal fortitude from you :p

TBF I was expecting you to be the NK before and after you outed, considering how hard everyone was pushing your game solving skills.

Pedit: keep it clean guys. No biting or fishhooks.

Also, to back up Oxy a bit, cop is the easiest fakeclaim for scum, especially if they know it’s not in the game. Given context it’s unlikely it is a fakeclaim, but can’t rule it out.

But I’m not sure what the point of arguing it is, so maybe, like, don’t?

[skitter30]

oxy, who do you think is most likely scum in me/pin/draynth and why?

(alternatively, who's most likely telling the truth and why?)

[Oxy]

oxy, who do you think is most likely scum in me/pin/draynth and why?

(alternatively, who's most likely telling the truth and why?)

draynth is the most likely scum.

I'm not arguing that Pin IS scum. He's probably real.

But I don't think that assuming Pin!town for the sake of a possible mechanical proof of scum!draynth is a smart idea when we can just prove it with a lynch and walk into an amazing situation tomorrow.

[Oxy]

lynch scum!draynth today, lose skitter (or maybe dino/nsg) in the night, and just start lynching unconfirmed players until we win

[Sunshine13]

Well you argued I was scum for wanting an informative lynch yesterday... /just sayin’

Pedit: let’s not discuss potential nk’s either, scum can do that on their own :p