Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[Ramcius]

well, this hider claim might come from scum - this way they are safe from checks and can't be used as weak cop - won't die, if visit scum

[ManWithNoName]

I've never heard of hider being able to survive hiding behind mafia.

Has anyone at all?

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Ankamius

I know the "do little until later" is kind of your thing, but I would think by now you'd have at least commented on something worthwhile. So got any thoughts to share?

Yes, I don't think the miller claim conversation is going to get anywhere.

But really, I'm waiting on something specific before I start analyzing things. I want to test something.

Was the Wilky vote part of what you're testing?

Nope, it's unrelated to my votes.

Then why did you vote Wilky?

@RC

What did you think was actually scummy about Wilky's reactions?

Claims aside I don't see where he's actually been scummy and I don't know why people are wagoning him beyond the claim.

@Tchill

So you're saying you don't die if you hide behind scum?

correct. So its useless as far as helping town goes from what i can tell.

You can confirm scum if you hide correctly.

Anyhow, moving on.

VOTE: alchemist

I don't like you fishing for tests.

I was actually going to let it go if her vote was part of her test, but knowing that it's not I want to know why she joined that wagon.

[Ouroboros]

Also let's be totally clear on what my viewpoint is
My viewpoint is that Wilky IS IN FACT A MILLER BY ROLE. HIS ROLE PM SAYS MILLER.
But he is scum nonetheless.

That is why he claimed miller, having the role, and that is why he immediately gave Davesaz an out to make the situation not a counterclaim.

I get zero vibes from his response that he actually thinks Davesaz is lock scum and the vote felt more of an obligation and that Wilky just wanted to get the situation dealt with.

This is also a completely GIF thing to do, he has put two town millers in multiple previous games and I think it's about time that he screws with that meta by making one scum.

Got it.

Since Tchill13 claimed Hider, I have to reconsider that.

Ghost

[Ouroboros]

I've never heard of hider being able to survive hiding behind mafia.

Has anyone at all?

No. The purpose of the Hider is to "confirm" scum by dying after they've visited a person. Mind you, this is only effective if everyone hypo-claims a Hiding target that can be followed if someone dies during the Night phase. If someone dies and flips as the Hider, people can go "Ah Ha!" and see who the Hider hypo-claimed to hide behind and then lynch scum.

Ghost

[ManWithNoName]

VOTE: TChill

In a sea of PR claims I trust this the last

[ManWithNoName]

VOTE: TChill

In a sea of PR claims I trust this the least

Ebwop

[davesaz]

I agree with all the hider discussion on this page. And TChill is not behaving the same way he did in previous games where we were town together.
VOTE: TChill

[verylazy]

why did you ask this (if it isn't a joke/meme)?

Not a joke. Why would think so?

"do scum have daytalk" is a common grab-for-towncred to the point where it's almost a joke, and i'm pretty sure i've seen it used like that before.

It occurred to me that Wilky and Dave could be scum theatre, but then I realized that that would be stupid.

ok, this makes sense

Ghost[/quote]

OK I've thought pretty hard and long about this.

I don't see how my role could be a positive for town.

I'm hard claiming hider that can hide behind scum.

I'm hoping it's understandable why I would hard claim this day 1.

i was going to townread this but this seems like a somewhat absurd claim. what is your role name? i don't imagine it's "hider that can hide behind scum".

[Ouroboros]

I haven't had the dubious honor of seeing scum Hebichan in action before and I'm pretty sure that I'm seeing her here!

Tchill having a weird role and reacting weirdly to it is NAI.

Wilky remains scum and everyone who comes in and doesn't comment on him at all while pushing the wagon elsewhere is dying over the next few days.

Don't be doing that if you're town

[ManWithNoName]

My theory is that TChill is not lying about his role, but is lying about the alignment.

I think we have either a Vig or an SK somewhere in here, and the mafia has a hider, specifically, TChill.

Wilky is probably a scum partner.

By extension, Ourobouros is town.

[Ouroboros]

I also have reasons that I can't share for thinking Tchills claim is a lot likelier than people think: that said I don't think the Tchill wagon is really gaining momentum as much as scum are all voting there to distract from caught scum Wilky.

[ManWithNoName]

I also have reasons that I can't share for thinking Tchills claim is a lot likelier than people think: that said I don't think the Tchill wagon is really gaining momentum as much as scum are all voting there to distract from caught scum Wilky.

I'll go back to Wilky for now. I don't understand how TChill's claim is likely, so if you could expand on your reasons it would be nice.

VOTE: Wilky

[Ouroboros]

My theory is that TChill is not lying about his role, but is lying about the alignment.

I think we have either a Vig or an SK somewhere in here, and the mafia has a hider, specifically, TChill.

Wilky is probably a scum partner.

By extension, Ourobouros is town.

This is a strange and pretty scummy position to hold if Tchill is town and Wilky is scum which I'm pretty sure is the case

If they're both scum why won't you vote Willy?

That said I'm not even like townreading Tchill play wise but the amount of scummy people jumping on him over wilky is pretty staggering to the point I want to locktown him

I daresay if Maria is scum bussing there would be more bus votes

Okay that's fair thank you.

Basically there was a discussion GIF was privy to about when does hider actually mean and the result was that hider is the process of hiding and dying if target is shot, weak hider is the traditional hider role. So I believe the claim

Do I locktown it? Nah. But Hebichan jump is ick

[Ramcius]

Wilky remains scum and everyone who comes in and doesn't comment on him at all while pushing the wagon elsewhere is dying over the next few days.

if i have to choose, i'd lynch Tchill - he can hide from vig, if he's tells truth about his role, while miller can be dealt by vig. But if we don't have vig, we can come back to Wilky D2/D3. That's assuming we will decide he's scum and must be dealt with

[Ouroboros]

Why do you care so much about what the vig can do?

Who says everyone will even go back and deal with wilky after anonymousghosts powertowning terrifies the scumteam into NKing us?

Like I'm not locking Tchill town like, say, Alchemist probably but the reasons for scumreading them are pretty dubious

[verylazy]

i could hop on wilky wagon but i want to resolve tchill first

[Ouroboros]

Oh lol hebi voted alch

Still very very scummy, never seen her have this poor of an opener as town, meshes pretty well with what I've seen from scum her.

I also think there's a lot of info to be gleaned from meta diving Tchill but I suppose that I can do that later

[Ouroboros]

What makes.you so certain Tchill is scum?

Guess I'm meta diving this now then

[Ramcius]

because i rather not waste lynch on someone, who can be shot

[Ouroboros]

That's a terrible approach to take given if scum have a protective they'll always be on Willy and there's zero guarantee that a vig even exists.

[Ramcius]

hm, good point, i'm not used to scum protectives, so haven't considered that, but aren't those rare in games anyway?

[Ouroboros]

In games with a vig, uh, no?

[ManWithNoName]

If there is a vig, and there is just one scum team, which is likely, considering the town wincon, I would be surprised if there were not scum protectives.

[Ramcius]

well, in my past large themes there wasn't, but i trust you on this

still, i'd prefer Tchill over Wilky, he came after both miller claims, so i feel it might be scum trying take advantage of miller claims