Open 724 - Pick Your Power X/Y [Endgame]

[Lovebird]

Doesn't feel good.

[Mathdino]

then you're literally never gonna get a lynch that you like unless you start actually pushing your reads

[Lovebird]

Ok.

[Mathdino]

why do you aggressively not give a shit about what happens this game

[the worst]

LALEN is the best choice

[Lovebird]

why do you aggressively not give a shit about what happens this game

Not true.

Patience is a powerful tool.

[the worst]

Lovebird is always invested and rarely expressive

Usually easier to see her angle tho ime

[The Janitor]

Iconeum

1

the worst

3
Lalendra 5

Ircher

11

SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis

413

Mathdino

2

The Janitor

2

Beefster

4

Taly

4

Almost50

8

mutantdevle

8
Ausuka 6
Lovebird 6

brassherald

6

eyyyy lmao get fucked ausuka

Hmmm interesting in red while others have talked about my posts and called them townish at the least. Don't think I've seen you comment on them. Care to?

it's more of a collective representation of the reads of myself and the people i respect

i'm personally townreading lovebird and there's more ausuka paranoia

so get vigged ausuka

Who are those people exactly?

Good, it wasn't a gambit.

Town

Why exactly?

[Mathdino]

Eddie Cane, TW, and SIMYK are my reads-bloc.

I don't really care about people calling your posts "townish at the least" (this is clearly an exaggeration). The arguments were basically "oh the reasons for scumreading Janitor are lame, that's just his playstyle". And then a bunch of people townreading you for your playstyle. And for arguing with me. These are all NAI things.

[The Janitor]

Ausuka-chan's vote is town since if I KNEW I was townie and saw someone writing 587, I would just vote them aswell~

This is good reasoning and since I doubt Ausuka is scum at this point this seems like a very townie post.

OK lovebirds reads are backwards enough that I'd be cool with a policyvig there

Simyk did you see my request for a scum pt fanfic

Why would the unofficial town leader argue for a policy vig? Who knows some of his reads may be right.

@Math well SIMYK has certainly been... Nicer to me the past few days.

[Mathdino]

And Eddie Cane cancels that out. Neither are in a position to meta you, so of my trust-bloc that's 2 scumreading you, 1 nullreading you, and 1 townreading you.

...are you really asking me why I'm arguing for killing people on policy?

[The Janitor]

I would THINK scum shooting someone WIDELY TOWNREAD such as me, eddie-kun, ahiru-tan, taly, or you would be a GOOD indication ╭( ･ㅂ･)و ̑̑ ＂

Would scum ELECT to avoid shooting someone townie just because there could be a TRACKER? (ʃ⌣́,⌣́ƪ)

pedit: LOOKS like we're in agreement!

Eddie and taly widely townread?

Taly to me seems town. Would scum want to hard defend 2 widely scumread people if the scum player in question is not in any hot water?

[Iconeum]

VOTE: Iconeum

@Lovebird can you please explain what on earth is going through your head when you decide to randomly naked vote the #1 in the draft list without any real discussion surrounding the potential of them being scum?

I said my reasons for iconeum being scum. Nobody else is voting ausuka, so I decided to switch things up.

The reasons for me being scummy as in:

VOTE: A50 for being salty I got the nr1 spot with nr1.

Scummy

My opening RVS vote?

It really makes me feel like you wanna appear active while not having to take a stance, and I scumread you for it.
My vote isn't RVS.

Awkward

Or this?

Why would we vig me?

'Cause ur scum Also, ur playing like you did in the 9p alternating. I correctly read you as scum that game but failed to get you lynched. I'm getting the same scummy vibes right now (with the recent posts).

VOTE: Lovebird

[The Janitor]

Taly is one of the most obnoxious people ive seen lmao what the fuck

It's like that kid who tells the teacher you came in 30 seconds late or rattles on you for shoving Jimmy

The actual fuck?

Hey Eddie Cane we both generally trust simyk
Why is she wrong about the janitor?

Well maybe she isn't and you should re eval your read and/or my posts?

...

Playerlist:

"Where's Taly?"

Taly:

"I'm going to think a bit deeper about this guys!"

Playerlist:

"Why? Also, what is wrong with your reads?"

Taly:

"I'm explaining this a bit in depth here, can you elaborate on yours?"

Playerlist:

"Lol, no. Your opinions are weird, and the reasons you apply mean mean little to us as a whole."

I'm not doing another round of

"Ignore

Taly

while he gives unique opinions in the game"

. I've got shit to do tomorrow, I'm generally working through a frustrated mental funk, and I'm disliking the gamestate right now.

Maybe I am wrong about some of my townreads and scumreads, but I'm not spending another minute here right now to be pissed on.

Goodnight.

Yeah I mean... This. Regardless of alignment this does seem like the 2nd time Taly is respecting different read/playstyles while not being respected back. Please, y'all.

Explain my other reads in depth?

WHO

do you know that explains every read they give in depth?.

Ircher and Taly in this game alone no? And how is asking you to elaborate scummy in any way? What's keeping you from opening up if you have nothing to hide?

[Mathdino]

Spoiler:

1) the worst

, what are your reads at the moment? A quick look through your ISO and I see a lot of responses and some fluffy posts. What do you think of

Ausuka

at the moment, in retrospect to your vote on her 276 - and what about

Almost50

gives you townvibes?

I'll quote this so it sticks into your memory.

I'd also like to know why you'd want to lynch

mutant

, I still don't fully see the scumreads on him?

- ALL scumhunting is luck. Using calculations based on empirical evidence is no different. I show my work when appropriate.
If someone's draft number makes them 15% more likely to be scum, how is that any different from the tone of someone's post making them 15% more likely to be scum?

How do you deduce percentages of someone being scum FROM RANDOMIZED NUMBERS?

You're completely ignoring any information that someone can use to detect someone as scum or town that DOESN'T come from mathematical probabilities or subsets from numbers. Simplying scumhunting as complete luck is a DIRECT simplification of a subjective game. Right now, you're coming to me based off semantics and not off the idea of trying to UNDERSTAND something in a subjective realm where we can communicate our ideas.

This mentality does little to nothing in helping someone see your point of view in this game.

- Your Ircher townread is based off of agreeing that you don't like my shit

Stopping you right here, because you're wrong.

I never said that the setup spec was inherently wrong to do; I stated that there's no practical reason for discussing it off NO defined information.

Me Saying-

"I don't like what

Mathdino's

doing here"

and

"I don't see the point of what

Mathdino's

doing at the moment, and I agree with this other person's approach"

ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

Reread my post.

and on the notion that effort is alignment-indicative.

And instead of trying to UNDERSTAND my townread, you're minimizing MY OPINION.

- Did I say I townread Ircher because of effort?

Yeah, to a degree.

- Did I say that that was the SOLE reason I townread him because of effort?

Fucking no. I saw no scum-motivation from the depth within his reads and he wasn't using his developed reads as a source to create WIFOM or unnecessarily scumread or townread someone WITHOUT REASON.

Ircher is doing nothing to move the game forward or to push his agenda.

I disagree, he's provides tons of content to look at later in the game when flips have been discovered.

But I do agree in the fact that he doesn't have an agenda... because what the fuck agenda would town need in this game other than townhunt and scumhunt?

His reads list reads to me like he wanted to dump a massive amount of effort while under pressure to get one or two suckers off his back.

This sounds extremely overconfident and highly tunnel-minded.

You're making the assumption that someone ENGAGING with the people suspecting them are coming from a scum mentality?

What the hell are you hoping to figure out by pushing

Ircher

with this mentality?

Another thing is, I REPLIED with a better elaboration of my Ircher townread in the first place. If you disagreed with me, you could ask me questions on my explanations or put up a case LIKE I WAS PRODDING PEOPLE TO DO.

- There are certain people that are straight up bad lynches for a variety of reasons. Confidence in a scumread doesn't mean I'm willing to take the gamble of lynching them. Lynching an A50 who I think is scum with, say, >40% confidence (which is about the threshold it takes for me to lynch someone) is high-risk low-reward. Scum A50 is not difficult to lynch and only has as much influence as town gives him.

This still doesn't give any game evidence or intrinsic reasoning behind why you wouldn't pursue a confident scumread.

Are you genuinely looking at other people to find more general confidence in your reads, or are you unsure of Almost50? I don't understand your thought process here.

- I can't think of anything to say or ask to you that would harden a read. Your posting style is easy to hide behind as scum. It's difficult to gauge the sincerity. I need associatives and flips for you. Kind of like A50 actually.

If you can't figure out anything to say or ask me, then ISO me until you do. It's really not that difficult from my perspective.

Or just keep engaging with me like this and hopefully I don't rip my hair out. I elaborated on my townread, and I'm not fond with the way you tried deconstruct one of the few reasoned townreads on

Ircher

.

And I'm taking this a step further and saying that I think

Ircher

could be town because there's literally NOBODY from what I've been reading the past few pages - correct me if I'm wrong - that's actually trying to assess the points of any case against him outside of agreeing or taking a neutral stance.

And I'm guessing you're not certain of your

Almost50

read?

...

if you could call this post respecting different playstyles, then sure

[Mathdino]

like i feel like the me/taly debate is largely behind us
anything i'm doing at this point is just poking fun

but your WKing is literally wrong

and i feel like it's politically minded

[Ausuka]

VOTE: lovebird

[Mathdino]

ausuka what's your success rate at reading ircher and what's your current confidence level as to his alignment

[the worst]

Explaining reads in depth willy nilly is as shitful to write as it is to read, if you have something in particular you strongly disagree with and/or you wanna see how they got there, be upfront and ask it IMO

I don't mind Taly's posting style at all, it's easy to follow his arguments and tell who he is talking about and when. My main issue with it is (SIMYK you're a fucking wizard for this) it feels like he's coming in and lecturing @ the thread rather than jumping in and engaging with people. His most substantial 'talking with not talking at' so far was with Eddie and/or Math and that was... so pointless... I skipped most of it except shitposts and I think I'm better for having done so.

[the worst]

I wanna chat w Taly sometime when hes recovered and I can set some time aside ftr

[The Janitor]

While your scumreads are 2 people that should mechanically not be lynched today and 1 person that needs to be alive for vig fodder

I agree about that but it doesn't make them town.

I mean how much of a dick move would it be if I tried to reveal lol

I mean try. I'm too stubborn to change my style it seems so I'll just stop the alt business I guess.

@math fair point with that Taly post. Sorry.

[Ausuka]

success rate thus far at reading him is 100%
ircher is likely town and I'm probably about 80% that he is? not as much as usual

that said you're probably going to lynch him anyway so do whatever

[the worst]

GASP DOES THIS MEAN YOU'LL REVEAL WHO YOU ARE??

[the worst]

success rate thus far at reading him is 100%
ircher is likely town and I'm probably about 80% that he is? not as much as usual

that said you're probably going to lynch him anyway so do whatever

Regardless of Ausuka's alignment this is earnest.

Can we lynch Lalen now?

[Mathdino]

success rate thus far at reading him is 100%
ircher is likely town and I'm probably about 80% that he is? not as much as usual

that said you're probably going to lynch him anyway so do whatever

Regardless of Ausuka's alignment this is earnest.

Can we lynch Lalen now?

UNVOTE:

okay

next question

why the fuck haven't you been screaming at everyone that ircher is town when ircher has been by far the most likely lynch for the majority of the day

i was waiting for you to come into the thread and actually state a read and you did jackshit