Mini 2006: Scummer in this game UPick GAME OVER

[MariaR]

Maria if you for some reason read these posts that add nothing to the game.
Can you tell me your thoughts on Pine/Alisae?

My read has flipped there the most I won't be shocked on w/e they flip Alis treating of me early game was awful and the fact they backed off is even weirder while still calling me a wolf. You've seen how ali acts when they call me wolf they fucking death tunnel me they didn't do that here so I'm like!?!??!

[MariaR]

I'm not lynching on the mark today

Not_Mafia Mastina Mom take your pick

[OnTheMark]

This is why Momrangal NOT receiving the alignment is important

Setup is probably 2 town masons
2 scum masons (sharing a PT outside of mafia chat)
A light/medium weight scum fuckery

And then a spread of “neg utility” stuff for scum to hide in.

Mastina claiming both mason and neg utility doesn’t make sense from balance,

especially

with my role.
So I am very much thinking she is the liar along with NicoRobin

However if I am wrong and it’s beeboy and lovebird that are the liars then the heat map changes rather drastically.

I sent my last will to someone I don’t think scum will kill tonight and so I trust them if I get mislynched to run this shit home.

[OnTheMark]

There could be one “listener” of sorts for something but in general I think that is pretty much it.

[MariaR]

Math scum can't have the word "mason" in their role or it'd be bastard

[OnTheMark]

Math scum can't have the word "mason" in their role or it'd be bastard

In their role NAME yes.
However if they have an additional PT outside the scum PT they are masons.

Because then momrangel does NOT get the alignment
If his check says “Do these people share an alignment and a PT that is not factional?” That CAN return a yes and not be bastard.

It’s like Parity cop + PT check.

The underlying assumption is mason. However scum can indeed be masons.

[MariaR]

If mom is a mason cop
the name needs to have the word mason in it for the result to be correct.
Scum can't have that even if they have the other stuff for it
IE a pt and outside coms

[Pine]

Can't tell if Town!OTM is conflating Neighbor and Mason

Or if Scum!OTM is being intentionally obtuse to muddy the waters.

Leaning the latter.

[OnTheMark]

If mom is a mason cop
the name needs to have the word mason in it for the result to be correct.
Scum can't have that even if they have the other stuff for it
IE a pt and outside coms

No it doesn’t.

Scum CAN be masons as I have just described and would flag “Yes” on a mason cop check.

It has to depend on the legalese of momrangel’s check. If it checks for the word “mason” then scum mason according to the site would be rather unexpected but imho still could be a thing depending upon how far reasonable is stretched.

It’s long since been a dream of Jingle’s to add more “fuckery” across MS. I cannot emphasize this enough.

[beeboy]

Scum masons used to be allowed in normal games (paired with town masons) which was incredibly stupid although that would be considered bastard by basically everyone on today's site meta.
Mason text currently is something along the lines of "you know you share the alignment of your partner" so technically speaking without the game being bastard you can have a scum mason as long as they are paired with another scum.

Although glgl finding a scum mason in the past 3 years on this site.

[OnTheMark]

Can't tell if Town!OTM is conflating Neighbor and Mason

Or if Scum!OTM is being intentionally obtuse to muddy the waters.

Leaning the latter.

Neighbors who know from mod confirmed information that they share an alignment are for all intents and purposes masons.

If that is what momrangel gets it’s a false positive.

[Not_Mafia]

Werewolf masons are technically a thing, but when was the last time someone actually used them?

[OnTheMark]

Scum masons used to be allowed in normal games (paired with town masons) which was incredibly stupid although that would be considered bastard by basically everyone on today's site meta.
Mason text currently is something along the lines of "you know you share the alignment of your partner" so technically speaking without the game being bastard you can have a scum mason as long as they are paired with another scum.

Although glgl finding a scum mason in the past 3 years on this site.

This. Exactly what I am trying to say

But it wouldn’t be bastard simply because people aren’t used to it.

Otherwise the game where I never had a chat with my buddy would have been bastard because people assume scum have a factional PT.

You have to pitch the underlying assumptions and look at the EXACT wording.

[beeboy]

No it would actually be bastard to have a scum mason paired with town.

[MariaR]

Oh I thought masons were strictly town.
My bad

[OnTheMark]

No it would actually be bastard to have a scum mason paired with town.

Right.

But scum with scum wouldn’t be.

They would be scum masons.

[beeboy]

If I was a scum mason with lovebird I would never have claimed Mason.
It's shitty play, I would have played as if I was a goon and hope for some role cop rng if I was lucky.


Also playing around something that hasn't been used in like 3-5 years isn't exactly something I think we should be doing until like lylo.

[OnTheMark]

If I was a scum mason with lovebird I would never have claimed Mason.
It's shitty play, I would have played as if I was a goon and hope for some role cop rng if I was lucky.


Also playing around something that hasn't been used in like 3-5 years isn't exactly something I think we should be doing until like lylo.

I agree you wouldn’t do it. But Mastina WOULD

Or Titus maybe would for shits and giggles. Because she has always wanted to be a scum mason.

[OnTheMark]

But scum masons has to be considered now

Because four masons out of 13 is like not a thing

[OnTheMark]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _and_Mafia

This is an approved open.

There is a 0.01% chance Jingle approves four town masons and a cop to check them here without giving scums counter.

[NicoRobin]

I approve re: checking us

[OnTheMark]

I approve re: checking us

That doesn’t assuage my fears at all. If you’re scum masons you’d return a positive.

The bigger question is why none of the mason claims scum read each other after both have doubled down.

[OnTheMark]

The question is how would you balance four masons if you don’t scumread any
OR
If you can’t find a way who do you scumread?

[NicoRobin]

Because I asked the mod if we are confirmed TOWN to each other instead of just masons and he said yes.

[NicoRobin]

And heh. You cannot hold a candle to me when it comes to paranoia. I am Prof. Paranoia. Have been ever since SU2. If I townread mastina, then she is town, period.