Mini 2011: Partition Mafia (Game Over)

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VOTE COUNT 1.4

1	2	3
DeasVail	BuJaber	dramonic
Eddie Cane	Kokichi Oma	REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE
havingfitz	Pine	SirCakez
northsidegal	riku	zMuffinMan
	Wisdom

Group 1

(3): SirCakez, dramonic, zMuffinMan

Group 2

(5): riku, BuJaber, Wisdom, Kokichi Oma, REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

Group 3

(3): Eddie Cane, havingfitz, Pine
Not voting: 2 (DeasVail, northsidegal)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
Deadline is in (expired on 2018-05-20 23:00:00).

@Mod: confirm/deny that this is mountainous?

Cannot confirm or deny.

[BuJaber]

This game is pseudo-nightless. The mafia have a 1-shot nightkill that they may use any night after night 0. They may not use their kill if it would cause the mafia to have as many players alive as there are town players alive. There are no other killing abilities in the game. There are no other night actions in the game.

So theoretically we could have day PRs.

[BuJaber]

Wisdom would you be willing to vote for group 3 or is that not an option for you?

[Eddie Cane]

Are people serious about the pr claims? I thought this was confirmed all vanilla/goons?

this setup would be really frickin scumsided as a vanilla setup. this wasn't run in the open queue for a reason.

[northsidegal]

Should we be pausing at L-1 for claims? Or do we think this is mountainous?

It's at least not

confirmed

mountainous - I asked the mod

[northsidegal]

{kokichi, pine, Riku} contains at least two scum
All of them have felt really fake when it comes to suspecting group 2

Still don't think kokichi is scum.

[dramonic]

Are people serious about the pr claims? I thought this was confirmed all vanilla/goons?

this setup would be really frickin scumsided as a vanilla setup. this wasn't run in the open queue for a reason.

You have no concept of balance.

The only thing "japanese name person" implies is that im phonepostin and cant open an extra tab to confirm names.
Same way I didnt parse NSG's name not just being nonsense and therefore called her... whatever is it I called her.

[dramonic]

1 long meaningless name.

[dramonic]

I could shift to group 2 but at this point Im getting the warm fuzzies that we're looking at 2-1-0

[SirCakez]

I don't think this makes much sense. How does saying "japanese name person" downplay contact?

It implies he forgot the actual name.

That's reachy af still.

And it's definitely not mountainous.

[Pine]

Follow up would be to pine: if it's a vanilla game what do claims at L-1 tell us?

A mountainous game tells us not to bother demanding claims at L-1. That's all.

[Kokichi Oma]

Agreed. I think pine and wisdom are scum. I'm willing to sacrifice myself for us to win.

[Eddie Cane]

Are people serious about the pr claims? I thought this was confirmed all vanilla/goons?

this setup would be really frickin scumsided as a vanilla setup. this wasn't run in the open queue for a reason.

You have no concept of balance.

The only thing "japanese name person" implies is that im phonepostin and cant open an extra tab to confirm names.
Same way I didnt parse NSG's name not just being nonsense and therefore called her... whatever is it I called her.

yes I do, lol.

[dramonic]

keep telling yourself that <3

[Eddie Cane]

okay. tell me how this vanilla is not scumsided as fuck. scum can split the groups evenly and almost autowin ignoring all other possible gambits and wifom.

[Eddie Cane]

10:3

lynch 1 scum 3 town


7:2

lynch 2 town 1 scum (dont hit the all town group)

5:1

lynch the correct pairing, or its 3:1 into 2:1 after the nk and its lylo

these are all best case if scum does the very basic low risk thing of splitting evenly. so assuming you lynch optimally you get 1 single mislynch. as opposed to regular 10:3 games which have 3. never mind the rest of the possible wifom xcum could do (maybe 3 scum are in group 2, or maybe none are and lynching it pretty much endgames us) maybe they do 7:3:3 or whatever. but sure, I dont gwt balance and arrogant oldie understands mafia on a transcendent level.

[dramonic]

Saying "we only get one mislynch" when 10 town dies in your scenario is a fascinating interpretation.

[zMuffinMan]

he's right, though (not that it really matters and this is a boring discussion)

the scenario he gave is a good example. town's win chances if it reaches 5:1 are 50% but if you factor in that comes after a 1/3 chance of hitting an all-town group, it's less than that overall

don't have time to read this morning, will catch up sporadically over the day probably

[Pine]

Blah blah blah

And when we nail 2 scum today, the ratio goes to 8:1.

This setup is swingy. No excuses, play like a champion.

[Eddie Cane]

okay, i understand its hard being shit at something you've done for almost a decade and its hard to accept that, so i'll break it down even more.

If scum does the most basic strategy of even spreads

we have a 5 / 4 / 4 day 1, each with 1 scum. we are assuming optimal lynching for this scenario. we lynch a 4.

that leaves the number at 7:2 going into night. we enter the day with 3 / 3 / 3, with 2 of the 3 containing scum. IF we mislynch and hit 3 town, its 4:2 going into night and then 3:2 going into day, so lylo. 1 mislynch.

if we lynch correctly, its 5:1, and day starts with 2 / 2 / 2 and 1 of those groups contains a scum. if we mislynch, 2 out of 3 of the slots filling that bill, then we are 3:1 and a night kill or not leaves it at mylo / lylo tomorrow. 1 mislynch.

yes, mislynches are less likely by a bit because of the fact there's less mislynchable slots, but there's also far less opportunities to lynch properly and scum control who you lynch. also, people will wifom and self vote a ton so unlike normal slots will be advocating for their own lynch some of the time as we've seen lots of here.

then there's the other dynamic:

scum goes for wifom

lets say they stick with a 4/5/4 split. the 5 has no scum, and we lynch it. then its 5:3, nk 4:3, lylo. 1 mislynch.
4 has no scum, and we lynch it. then its 6:3. nk 5:3. pretty much lylo.
or scum could do 3:7:3, and if the scum are not in the 7 and we lynch it we just lose, but if scum wifom'd and put all of them and we don't lynch it (the likelier outcome) then free 3 townies dead. or, they put 2 scum in it, we lynch it, and we are now at 3:1 lylo after the nk.

and then we get into the fact its still mountainous and towns on this site do awfully in mountainous, worse than rand a lot of the time.


in conclusion: yes granddad, computers

are

in fact useful. technology

isn't

evil. also, this is pretty much confirmed to not be mountainous because its not in the open queue so there's elements that aren't open. fuck off.

[Eddie Cane]

pine's muffin push is weird. muffin's content is weird, i don't think his dv stuff is scummy. jaber is awkward. dv is pretty townie compared to TM, i had him as hard scum there. dramonic is meh. kokichi is meh. nsg inventing a tell on kokichi is meh. roj is cute. fitz is meh. north is a lil townie. cakez is a lil scummy. riku is meh. wisdom is meh. in conclusion: stop being meh!

[zMuffinMan]

i'm weird, not meh though so i guess i'm ok

[Eddie Cane]

muffin would you agree dv is town?

[zMuffinMan]

i haven't read anything not on this page since after i went to sleep last night (been focusing on something else)

let me get to a computer at work

in the mean time, feel free to summarise why you think that though

[Eddie Cane]

just

feels

townie

smh