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[Lovebird]

Like, so, so wrong. Progression on ank made absolute sense. Had reasons to scumread, talked about them, then ank made lolshot, thought he was giving up.

[Lovebird]

3) 948 to 952 are nothing but say that Chick is scum for little to no reason.

Oh nooo, didn't write 5 paragraph essay, must be scum

[Lovebird]

958 seems like survivalistic posting, given they aren't making any attempt to push their reads or ideas. They mostly just shade others while ignoring any attempt to townbloc.

You're ignoring context I said that in.

Where do I "shade others"? Is shade just word you use to make having scumread be scummy?

How does that last part make me scum? Scum want to be in townblock above all.

[Lovebird]

Their "Mother's Day" post was sympathetic and I believe it's outside-game genuine; but in-game, it reads as a prodg

Ya I'm prodging don't think there's much to do with no votes or no shots.

[Austerity]

I do see the likelihood that

Iconeum

is scum, I just haven't found a lot of reasoning that explicitly points to that. I've stated multiple reasons behind my recommended shots and nobody's given a major opinion about them. I'd rather see people actually state their thoughts behind someone-scum versus

"yeah, I want him to die"

I don't actually think he's incredibly likely to flip scum-- as in, I wouldn't be surprised if he flipped town.

But the argument for shooting him is just that it's very unlikely that, if he is town, he will ever be able to get to the point where people are confident he is town.

In a nightless game, you deal with the question marks sooner rather than later because that's the only way to weed out scum hiding in the townreads.

[Lovebird]

I do see the likelihood that

Iconeum

is scum, I just haven't found a lot of reasoning that explicitly points to that. I've stated multiple reasons behind my recommended shots and nobody's given a major opinion about them. I'd rather see people actually state their thoughts behind someone-scum versus

"yeah, I want him to die"

I don't actually think he's incredibly likely to flip scum-- as in, I wouldn't be surprised if he flipped town.

But the argument for shooting him is just that it's very unlikely that, if he is town, he will ever be able to get to the point where people are confident he is town.

In a nightless game, you deal with the question marks sooner rather than later because that's the only way to weed out scum hiding in the townreads.

Definitely right

[Taly]

Lovebird

1)

Shot obvtown in 140 without much thought.

Lol. Unbelievably wrong.

I'm sorry, but in what world does it occur to you to just shoot the one person defending a reasoned townread in a game that can easily become chaotic? They've made their reads and thought process clear and you shot them because... they didn't agree with you? I still don't know why?

But it's great to know that you're only concerned with posting

WHEN

someone suspects you.

Like, so, so wrong. Progression on ank made absolute sense. Had reasons to scumread, talked about them, then ank made lolshot, thought he was giving up.

Remind me again?

I wonder if the random shots are more towny than scummy

if I was scum i'd shoot just because id get away with it

Doesn't seem like people getting away with it so far.

nah

Taly already close to obvtowned. Shooting him is a scumclaim.

Why?

And, why so confident? Don't get it.

Idk. I think scum who don't want to get shot know that they have to be obvious town really quick. Or, that's what they expect they need to do, at least.

how do i make myself look obviously town

Tell people to stop random shooting and do strategy posts

Like taly

In this type of game,

early attention = B A D

But, you already proved this wrong by hard defending taly.

Idk. This mentality loses to scum just thinking one level deeper, I feel.

Your reasons from what I'm seeing:

1)

Defending a townread...

2)

Being overconfident???

3)

States that an approach doesn't work, but doesn't state how it's inherently scum.

3) 948 to 952 are nothing but say that Chick is scum for little to no reason.

Oh nooo, didn't write 5 paragraph essay, must be scum

You keep trying to degrade and write off my reasons for suspecting you without actually engaging with the points I made.

Either you're avoiding the conversation or you're not invested in solving the game, or aligning with your reads.

Neither of which are changing my reads on you right now.

958 seems like survivalistic posting, given they aren't making any attempt to push their reads or ideas. They mostly just shade others while ignoring any attempt to townbloc.

You're ignoring context I said that in.

Where do I "shade others"? Is shade just word you use to make having scumread be scummy?

How does that last part make me scum? Scum want to be in townblock above all.

Shade = Cast suspicion.

You could've easily engaged with me, directly talked to

Chick

, or any specific scumread you've had in this game.

But instead, you haven't posted to push those reads other than talk about them, and a lot of your engagement is responding to other people without making a lot of assessments.

Their "Mother's Day" post was sympathetic and I believe it's outside-game genuine; but in-game, it reads as a prodg

Ya I'm prodging don't think there's much to do with no votes or no shots.

WGC

has a shot.

I do see the likelihood that

Iconeum

is scum, I just haven't found a lot of reasoning that explicitly points to that. I've stated multiple reasons behind my recommended shots and nobody's given a major opinion about them. I'd rather see people actually state their thoughts behind someone-scum versus

"yeah, I want him to die"

I don't actually think he's incredibly likely to flip scum-- as in, I wouldn't be surprised if he flipped town.

But the argument for shooting him is just that it's very unlikely that, if he is town, he will ever be able to get to the point where people are confident he is town.

In a nightless game, you deal with the question marks sooner rather than later because that's the only way to weed out scum hiding in the townreads.

If you're not surprised that he flips town, then why don't you say what makes you hesitate?

I'm assuming with 14 other people you've got a stronger scumread where you're more confident? Why not push for something you have a strong belief in while asking questions for what you don't know, versus killing off what you know and then saving what you do know later?

The first path is better logistically and for informative reasons.

Since we're obviously doing a shit job with accuracy in this game, we SHOULD put forth more effort into eliminating what we definitively believe to be scum WHILE we ask questions upon gaining information that'll serve us a lot of use.

[Taly]

I'm about to go to bed, so I probably won't be able to respond to anything else tonight.

But I'm going to think a bit on my

Lovebird

read in depth with their newer responses and reply tomorrow.

[Taly]

Why not push for something you have a strong belief in while asking questions for what you don't know, versus killing off what you

don't

know and then saving what you do know later?

Bolded is a word I forgot to add. Very tired at the moment, going to bed now.

[Lovebird]

I'm sorry, but in what world does it occur to you to just shoot the one person defending a reasoned townread in a game that can easily become chaotic? They've made their reads and thought process clear and you shot them because... they didn't agree with you? I still don't know why?

Reasoning has nothing to do with alignment. If you think that you'll lynch town nonstop and get tricked by reasonable scum nonstop.

Just go reread it. It's literally not just disagreement.

But it's great to know that you're only concerned with posting WHEN someone suspects you.

Lol.

[Gammagooey]

jesus fucking christ this day is still going

winged wtf

Do you have literally ANY TOWNREADS? then consider their opinion on who to shoot

do you have ANY SCUMREADS? then maybe shoot them and say why you think they're scum

you whining about potentially wasting your shot and dragging on the day feels like utter bullshit when you're still fucking doing it instead of actually trying to play the godamn game

[Lovebird]

Posts you ignored:

I came into this game expecting to be dead early on day one anyways so I might as well do something useful while I'm here.

Towny

I came into this game expecting to be dead early on day one anyways so I might as well do something useful while I'm here.

Why did you vote sando

Pure fluff posting

@Taly, let's make a townbloc mmmk.

You state you'll shoot anyone that shoots me, I've stated I'm shooting your shooter. As people join townbloc we create a circle of protection via mutually assured destruction. People without a shot left can't join, since they can't "protect" anyone else.

Keen?

Let me make sure of how this plays out-

We protect each other by shooting who shoots us.
People who don't join the townbloc and wavelength with the protection won't be apart of this.

My biggest worry is, how would we have a strong idea someone is town who assures protection/a shot against a shooter? It's a bit early to form reads.

Townbloc is sort of a misnomer, more a non-shooty-bloc.

Step 1: Person A says they'll shoot anyone who shoots person B. Person B says they'll shoot whoever shoots person A. Thus anyone wanting to shoot A or B gets shot themselves.
Step 2: Person C wants to join. A shoots anyone shooting B, B shoots anyone shooting C, C shoots anyone shooting A. Thus you have circular protection.
Step 3: Keep extending this out as people join.

If we decide that someone in the bloc needs to die, we just nominate someone to shoot them, I'll take that as first responsibility if required.

That said, I think this would work if we just all said "we'll shoot anyone that shoots into the bloc" without the whole circle thing, but I'm just spitballing at this point.

Fluff?

Yes that's fluff lol

Shoot: Gorkington

I'm going to be dead by the time I'm home from work tomorrow so I want somebody fun to talk to in the dead thread.

Have a good night everyone!

Waiting for flip to shoot ank.

[Lovebird]

You keep trying to degrade and write off my reasons for suspecting you without actually engaging with the points I made.

How is saying that your reasons for scumreading don't actually catch scum not engaging with points

[Vaxkiller]

I do see the likelihood that Iconeum is scum

ROFL

Just kill Ico then this if ico flips scum

From my memory there was some weirdness with ico that tied him to peeps, so it looked like a good shot. Really not sure about ico, just liked that he told us the most from flipping him. Wish I had more motivation too look it up right now....

Taly saying this jsut ties 1 more person to them

[Lovebird]

You could've easily engaged with me, directly talked to Chick, or any specific scumread you've had in this game.

Why does talking to the person I scumread matter?

Why do you expect people to play same way you do and scumread them if they don't?

[Lovebird]

Like, kind of bring getting scumread because I'm different than you.

[Gammagooey]

Also Taly said something about wanting a Dav case so I'll just quote this b/c it has one and also conveniently has all of my unchanged reads because all of today except pushing on who to shoot has been meaningless posturing garbage

PS I don't even fucking have a read on icon b/c he hasn't been playing the game but I sure do agree with vax that Taly is a way better shot

I've been following along but my opinions haven't really changed since I posted this (and I haven't done any rereading since then):

people I think are town: bbmolla, vax, light, ausuka, random (if I haven't mentioned them before now the reason I'm townreading them is very obvious)

people who are not scum with not_mafia: theta

people who I think are not town: Taly, Davsto

people I think are not town but also probably not scum with not mafia so maybe this read is kind of dumb but deal with it: TheBrie

Still think Taly's the best shot in the game atm

Dav I know posted a readslist but it just doesn't feel like he pushed to get anyone killed the whole game except Mom and focused his play really heavily on her to the exclusion of most of the rest of the game - part of it is prob the weirdness of it being a bloodbath of the game where voting/convincing people doesn't matter nearly as much as usual, but I have no idea who he would prefer to be dead most out of anyone alive atm, and focusing on Mom and not attacking anyone else heavily feels like a way to look town while not making any enemies that might shoot him, which I think is exactly what scum want to do in this game.

[Vaxkiller]

Jesus. more posts tonight than the previous 5 days.

[Vaxkiller]

Somethings going on.

[Lovebird]

So

1) My shot on ank made perfect sense
2) Your other reasons all boil down to me playing different than you

[Lovebird]

Jesus. more posts tonight than the previous 5 days.

Somethings going on.

Because I'm here

And annoyed that people scumread me for NAI things

[Vaxkiller]

PS I don't even fucking have a read on icon b/c he hasn't been playing the game but I sure do agree with vax that Taly is a way better shot

I didnt say he was the better shot

[Gammagooey]

actually i dont even know if that's what vax is saying

but winged can you actually play the game and read what people have said and then come to your own independent conclusion on who you think is scum and shoot them instead of trying to rely on everyone else to play the game for you

because you said you'd shoot by tonight and it sure looks like you're not going to do it

@vax - hi
i'm slightly inebriated and legit irritated what's up

[Vaxkiller]

Jesus. more posts tonight than the previous 5 days.

Somethings going on.

Because I'm here

And annoyed that people scumread me for NAI things

I have no read on you.

Is someoen pushing you?

[Vaxkiller]

i'm slightly inebriated and legit irritated what's up

lol ok i got 20 min before i pass out, 6 beers in. Townr eading you up intil this point, but i like ur post.

Ughhh lemme lok up ico stuff