Mini 2006: Scummer in this game UPick GAME OVER

[Lovebird]

What do you think scenario is, that I'm scum with beeboy? Doesn't make sense

Yes and it does.

Why does Nadia retract claim if we're scum

Why does bee claim in first place if we're scum?

[Momrangal]

Ive read like, three if the 10 or so new pages in the last two days and I really don't wanna do this while on vaycay.

Got to the fake mason stuff tho!

One or both are definitely scum. I feel like they both wanted me gone and both were the biggest supporters of my lynch. I feel like if they were town they would have admitted to the gambit vs push me while ignoring the fact that I can confirm their role

[OnTheMark]

What do you think scenario is, that I'm scum with beeboy? Doesn't make sense

Yes and it does.

Why does Nadia retract claim if we're scum

Why does bee claim in first place if we're scum?

Because Nahdia would realize we would be copping you not the godfather as beeboy claimed.

Bee claims for the credit and to get Wisdom and Mastina to work against each other. Which was working.

[Lovebird]

I don't think that makes sense

[Momrangal]

Also, my role is now completrly useless Dino says and does nothing but actually confirm that Nico/mastina are now masons so like... I don't understand why that doubt is still there

[OnTheMark]

Also, my role is now completrly useless Dino says and does nothing but actually confirm that Nico/mastina are now masons so like... I don't understand why that doubt is still there

Because it’s mastina. That’s why.

If you’re town at least confirm Mastina is a mason for my sanity please.

Then afterward check people for lolz or do nothing.

[Nahdia]

So in absence of doing a full comprehensive read, I've been jumping around to random bits and pieces of the game to see if I get any reads. I wouldn't say anything is set in stone right now but this is where I'm at currently:

Towny: mastina, Nico, MathDino, Pine
Not Sure: MOMOMEN
Scummy: LLD, Wisdom

Everyone else (MariaR, Kokichi, and Not_Mafia) I've seen really little of in my hopping around so I'm not sure. I know there's a good amount of focus on the former two atm. From what I've gathered the push on them is partially a function of this lack of activity. Is that the bulk of it?

[Nahdia]

oh and I forgot Lovebird, funnily enough. Lovebird I'm not really sure about either atm.

[Mathdino]

UNVOTE:

why did no one tell me that beeboy has an elli-tell on lovebird

[Mathdino]

beeboy being town means lovebird is town 100% of the time
it's unrealistic to assume that beeboy was wrong about lovebird

so if we're gonna lynch one of them, it should be beeboy, always
i'm guessing part of lovebird's complacency lately has been due to beeboy's shit

there's a way to push a secret tell without literally claiming masons but it is what it is

I need people that can meta-read beeboy by ISO.

Ignore the mason gambit. That was beeboy trying and failing to be Ellibereth.

I 100% believe that beeboy actually does have a tell on Lovebird. That says nothing about beeboy's alignment though.

[Mathdino]

Town by me: Not_Mafia
Town by tomorrow morning: mastina, NicoRobin
Town by extension of beeboy: Lovebird

Honestly probably town anyway: MOMOMEN, Nahdia

Not town but bad lynch today: Momrangal, Pine, LLD

Not town but good lynch: MariaR, Kokichi, OTM

VOTE: MariaR

[Mathdino]

@N_M: mastina and Yume will either both get inno'd or both get guiltied tonight. If they're both town, who we lynchin?

[OnTheMark]

UNVOTE:

why did no one tell me that beeboy has an elli-tell on lovebird

Because that isn’t a thing.

Hey guys. I have a tell on Cheetory. I think he’s the mod. Don’t tell anyone. It will be our secret.

Nahdia and lovebird are just scum.

[Mathdino]

I had an elli-tell on Lovebird before I outed it to her. It's entirely a thing.

If beeboy is town, do you agree that Lovebird is town?

[OnTheMark]

I had an elli-tell on Lovebird before I outed it to her. It's entirely a thing.

If beeboy is town, do you agree that Lovebird is town?

No.

I don’t believe in elli tell.

The elli tell in my experience is just who elli likes or who does what elli expects. The “tell” has almost never read me right and people take pride in fooling machines. So on principle no.

Unless it’s 100% right it’s not a tell.

[OnTheMark]

And if it would be a tell it would be banned for general use if it was correct and viable.

So if you think Beeboy and lovebird are town cook up a mason gambit specifically to manipulate the situation prove your reasons other than elli tell. Because I can’t think of a single town reason to do that.

[Mathdino]

Okay.
VOTE: OnTheMark

You're a slot under heavy paranoia and that's currently stopping us from solving the game.

If you were still Wisdom, I'd let it be. But if you're not willing to help us on PoE by going with the 99% chance instead of the Ben Affleck 1% = absolute certainty, this is a policy lynch that needs to happen.

[OnTheMark]

Okay.
VOTE: OnTheMark

You're a slot under heavy paranoia and that's currently stopping us from solving the game.

If you were still Wisdom, I'd let it be. But if you're not willing to help us on PoE by going with the 99% chance instead of the Ben Affleck 1% = absolute certainty, this is a policy lynch that needs to happen.

I am not stopping you from solving the game at all.

I am helping with PoE. It is a rather simple PoE.

They claimed masons. I gave time to rescind if it was a joke. Beeboy didn’t take it. Nahdia rescinded.

They are scum.

I refuse to bow down to some machine because I program them for a living. If Mafiascum allowed betting I would bet you something I could make it think I was scum when I am not. Just because I don’t agree doesn’t mean I am “preventing PoE”. And it doesn’t mean I am “stopping you from solving the game”

I just think Nahdia and lovebird are scum.

[OnTheMark]

Okay.
VOTE: OnTheMark

You're a slot under heavy paranoia and that's currently stopping us from solving the game.

If you were still Wisdom, I'd let it be. But if you're not willing to help us on PoE by going with the 99% chance instead of the Ben Affleck 1% = absolute certainty, this is a policy lynch that needs to happen.

And lol at Nahdia/lovebird 99% town. That is clearly a figure pulled out of your own ass.

You don’t fake claim masons ever as any alignment because it is a scumclaim. That is the 99%.

[OnTheMark]

Because at that point even if you have a town role PM you are a scum beard.

I literally spent pages grilling Mastina and Nico because of their shit. So no. They need to die. Today. Just as everyone was saying. The lying pair needs to eat rope.

[Mathdino]

"Elli-tell" doesn't mean beeboy had a program go and find Lovebird's alignment 100%. It means beeboy, using Elli's methods, found something that can sort Lovebird's alignment 100% of the time. Given that I have already found Lovebird fairly easily readable by meta (this game excluded because I literally wasn't present), it's not a jump to say that such a tell probably exists.

I already had a tell on her before

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The conditional I'm proposing is SOLELY
Town-beeboy --> Town Lovebird
It's unreasonable to ever assume otherwise. You will be wrong most of the time.

I accept that beeboy could be scum. But if he's scum, it's not because he decided he had Lovebird as 100% town. What he should've done was claim a cop-inno or a lie-detector-inno on Lovebird, rather than claiming masons. That's behind us.

I'd policy lynch beeboy if I could but it defeats the purpose when he's not around to do that. As long as Nahdia agrees that from her POV, Lovebird is locktown, I don't have a problem with that slot as much as I have a problem with yours.

[Mathdino]

Math ever since you joined (and honestly since 10 pages before Wisdom rep'd out) your slot has been playing this game purely emotionally instead of actually thinking through this shit.

If the game or players are pissing you off physically, you can replace out. It's cool, whatever.

But I'm not going to hold other players accountable for your actions. Literally you trying to "help" me catch up ended up being hilariously anti-town.

Don't be Derpy Hooves. Don't scumhunt prescriptively. The fact is that people DO fakeclaim masons.

[Mathdino]

I'm guessing I won't be able to get this info out of you so I'll put this on the table.

If you thought that beeboy was town by meta and was townlurking it out, and if the ONLY thing that makes beeboy scum in your eyes is the mason gambit, that actually makes beeboy significantly more likely to be town, dependent on your townflip.

If there's something else to beeboy's meta that needs to be said, go ahead. But as it is, the mason thing is objectively NAI.

[OnTheMark]

"Elli-tell" doesn't mean beeboy had a program go and find Lovebird's alignment 100%. It means beeboy, using Elli's methods, found something that can sort Lovebird's alignment 100% of the time. Given that I have already found Lovebird fairly easily readable by meta (this game excluded because I literally wasn't present), it's not a jump to say that such a tell probably exists.

I already had a tell on her before

.

The conditional I'm proposing is SOLELY
Town-beeboy --> Town Lovebird
It's unreasonable to ever assume otherwise. You will be wrong most of the time.

I accept that beeboy could be scum. But if he's scum, it's not because he decided he had Lovebird as 100% town. What he should've done was claim a cop-inno or a lie-detector-inno on Lovebird, rather than claiming masons. That's behind us.

I'd policy lynch beeboy if I could but it defeats the purpose when he's not around to do that. As long as Nahdia agrees that from her POV, Lovebird is locktown, I don't have a problem with that slot as much as I have a problem with yours.

Elli’s methods are his program lol.

Ellibereth sucks at reading me and is swingy as fuck. Sometimes he is right sometimes not even with his program.

And no he should just truth tell. There is no way there were 4 masons in the setup. And I was right. He should have immediately rescinded. I cannot see that pair as town and when lovebird who has been doing fuck all flips scum you are gonna be next for trying to sort lovebird getting the fake that you said made them scum then calling them town for it because of a player not in the game.

“Hey look I have an Ellibereth town on dino he is scum!” (Half hearted joke obvs)

[OnTheMark]

Math ever since you joined (and honestly since 10 pages before Wisdom rep'd out) your slot has been playing this game purely emotionally instead of actually thinking through this shit.

If the game or players are pissing you off physically, you can replace out. It's cool, whatever.

But I'm not going to hold other players accountable for your actions. Literally you trying to "help" me catch up ended up being hilariously anti-town.

Don't be Derpy Hooves. Don't scumhunt prescriptively. The fact is that people DO fakeclaim masons.

And every time they are scum more often than not or scum adjacent I gotta go.