Newbie 1867 - Game Over

[Huntress]

Vote Count 1.11

vulcan logician (3) - Draynth, ofrhz, Harambey180
Harambey180 (2) - northsidegal, vulcan logician
ofrhz (2) - Nachomamma8, TheRampage
No Lynch (1) - Ircher

Not voting (1) - Scioness Sajj


With nine players alive, it takes five votes to lynch.

New deadline for Day One is Friday, 18th May, 09.00. BST, (in (expired on 2018-05-18 09:00:00)).

[TheRampage]

@Rampage
You don't want to lynch Vulcan, do want to lynch ofrhz.
Do you have any other reads on people in the game?

Well, with the meta that people on this site like to give intent to hammer as a warning to others to get off the bandwagon and stuff, I am backing down on Harambey. I mean, this is day one, and reads are few and far between. Hard to find patterns and the such. My only other possible is NorthSideGal. I say possible they are rubbing me the wrong way with that post using meta from other games. I personally think that is bad reasoning for mafia. I have played with people who change their strategy to keep people on their toes and not be able to use meta, and I have seen people play the exact same whether they are town or mafia. So, I just find it funny that on day 1 when there really isn't much to go off of, that they have meta reads on just about everyone. Still, to me, it really isn't actionable, but it is definitely something I will be keeping my eyes on. Right now though, I think ofrhz is the one I feel most comfortable with for the reasons I stated several posts ago. He has stayed under the radar, not leading any lynches. I he tried to test the waters for a Vulcan lynch, but never committed until other people hopped on. All those are scum things to me; cause he was leading it, but not really trying to sound like he was leading it. It has been almost 24 hours since I pointed that out, and he had not popped in yet, and I find it hard to believe he hasn't read it yet. I mean, I am a busy man with my job as well, but while I was waiting to get into my first game, I was always checking the site to see if I was added, etc etc. So I find it a little scummy that he has gone back silent at the end of day phase, even now that he has 2 votes on him. Seems like he is hoping that day phase will run out or that some one will get a different bandwagon going.

[Scioness Sajj]

Okay so I just did a little bit of thinking and analyzing...

Seeing as how me, vulcan and ofrhz have two votes each right now and no one else has votes: Obviously I am not going to vote myself, so right now, I feel like I need to make a decision on who to vote between vulcan and ofrhz because it seems like the lynch is not going to be anyone else this day 1.
I've probably made it clear numerous times before that I have a stronger townread on ofrhz and think vulcan is the better one to lynch (especially between these two), I feel too lazy to provide you examples of what I said earlier about this (besides you can look it up yourself if you want to), I don't feel like repeating reasons I have to favor a vulcan lynch over an ofrhz lynch....

I'm just gonna
VOTE: vulcan

I see no other option really.

I'm catching up so if you have already talked about the things I'm gonna ask you just let me know they are in the thread and I will look for them.
Do you have other scum reads beside Vulcan?
What do you mean by 'a stronger townread on ofrhz'? Compared to whom? Or is it just a strong tr?

[Scioness Sajj]

i don't really want to lynch vulcan today i think

[Harambey180]

Okay so I just did a little bit of thinking and analyzing...

Seeing as how me, vulcan and ofrhz have two votes each right now and no one else has votes: Obviously I am not going to vote myself, so right now, I feel like I need to make a decision on who to vote between vulcan and ofrhz because it seems like the lynch is not going to be anyone else this day 1.
I've probably made it clear numerous times before that I have a stronger townread on ofrhz and think vulcan is the better one to lynch (especially between these two), I feel too lazy to provide you examples of what I said earlier about this (besides you can look it up yourself if you want to), I don't feel like repeating reasons I have to favor a vulcan lynch over an ofrhz lynch....

I'm just gonna
VOTE: vulcan

I see no other option really.

I'm catching up so if you have already talked about the things I'm gonna ask you just let me know they are in the thread and I will look for them.
Do you have other scum reads beside Vulcan?
What do you mean by 'a stronger townread on ofrhz'? Compared to whom? Or is it just a strong tr?

Question 1: I've posted a readslist back in post 158 but that's from a while ago. I don't think much has changed since then really. I also compiled a list of people that I did not plan on lynching today in post 179 and ofrhz is on that list. But honestly with all the replacements that have come in between (and at such a wonderful time to replace as well!! ), everything about that is completely messed up probably. But vulcan and ofrhz are still in so yeh.
Question 2: ofrhz compared to vulcan. I stated at the beginning of that post that I was pretty much going to compare ofrhz and vulcan because it looked like either of those two is going to be lynched today if it's not me. ofrhz has a stronger tr than vulcan, and again, you could go back to posts 158 and 179 if you want to know more of the details. And in my most recent posts I've mainly focused on whether I should lynch vulcan or not. I pretty much concluded with that it's likely best for me to vote vulcan. (because he's a likely lynch for the day and he's the most suspicious to me out of those people. Adding everything together, it just clearly seems I should vote vulcan for this day).

P-edit: Okay. That's all? Because if that's all, then you're not pushing anything and just informing us you're not looking forward to lynching vulcan.
You could:
- Explain why you don't feel like voting vulcan today
- Convince us to vote someone else instead of vulcan. For example, try to convince me why ofrhz would be a better lynch than vulcan, if that's what you think ofc. It can also be someone else.
- Ask me a question about why I DO want to lynch vulcan, or someone else that is voting vulcan.
- Ask others who they want to lynch.

So many things you could have done in that post, and you just say "don't rly wanna lynch vulcan 2day bye" (that's pretty much what you say). I'll just help you a bit here.

[Scioness Sajj]

P-edit: Okay. That's all? Because if that's all, then you're not pushing anything and just informing us you're not looking forward to lynching vulcan.
You could:
- Explain why you don't feel like voting vulcan today
- Convince us to vote someone else instead of vulcan. For example, try to convince me why ofrhz would be a better lynch than vulcan, if that's what you think ofc. It can also be someone else.
- Ask me a question about why I DO want to lynch vulcan, or someone else that is voting vulcan.
- Ask others who they want to lynch.

So many things you could have done in that post, and you just say "don't rly wanna lynch vulcan 2day bye" (that's pretty much what you say). I'll just help you a bit here.

You are right I could have done all of those things. But I don't any of those would be of much benefit to more or the game right now. I've just got here, didn't follow the game prior, my priority for right now is catching up.

re vulcan - i like his opening,

i got the joke

, as of page 5 he is a townread.
he is leading wagon right now, it is faster and more efficient imo to state my disagreement and let people engage me as I'm catching up then go silent for few next hours and come back with a case. when i fully catch up i will state stronger opinions.

i feel like what you have wrote to me here contradicts your post 298. you are encouraging me to 'make a impact' and contribute more but you yourself have stated that you don't believe new wagons can form and we are lynching in {you, ofrhz, vulcan}. why is it that I can have an impact but you can't? are you encouraging me to do, what's in your opinion, empty work?

[Harambey180]

Me encouraging you to do other things besides just stating you don't favor voting one person, and me saying that I'm quite sure today's lynch will be between me ofrhz and vulcan, are two completely distinguishable and different things. Why do you make it look like they aren't... therefore I can't really give an answer to that question. And I never even said that you can have an impact but I can't. I can have impact if I want to but when it comes to lynching, then right now I can provide no new impact, because I've pretty much said everything I wanted to say. But you can still give new visions on things because you're catching up. So now that I think of it, yeah, if you'd think about it, it makes some sense that you're more likely to have impact for the rest of the day. But honestly you shouldn't have even made me think about it because that was a horribly reasoned question fmpov. You're pretty much putting words in my mouth by making a comparison between two different things and calling them comparable.

[ofrhz]

Sorry this is a shitty thing to do

mod, can you replace me out?

[Harambey180]

And the replacements continue...

Actually this game is so messed up game now with so many replacements I might just replace out as well because I realize I've lost interest in this and my activity went down. And especially with just about everyone replacing I don't even want to stay here either.

mod, can you replace me out as well?

This wouldn't have happened if the others didn't replace out either. Now I'm just being dragged into a vicious cycle.

[Draynth]

Sigh

[Scioness Sajj]

oh wow

[Nachomamma8]

And the replacements continue...

Actually this game is so messed up game now with so many replacements I might just replace out as well because I realize I've lost interest in this and my activity went down. And especially with just about everyone replacing I don't even want to stay here either.

mod, can you replace me out as well?

This wouldn't have happened if the others didn't replace out either. Now I'm just being dragged into a vicious cycle.

Please don't replace out if you have the time to play. Your inactivity up to this point hasn't been even a little bit unreasonable, and while dealing with replacements initially is annoying because we have to wait longer than planned, it certainly doesn't mean the rest of the game is ruined/will suck.

[Nachomamma8]

@Huntress:

Could we have another 48 hour deadline extension in honor of replace-gate?

[Harambey180]

There have been too many replacements for my taste. I want to finish the game with the people that I started with and too many replacements have happened and it's too chaotic and too big of a mess for me. So bye.

[Huntress]

Sorry this is a shitty thing to do

mod, can you replace me out?

mod, can you replace me out as well?

Noted.

[TheRampage]

Smh, just wow

[Huntress]

teacher replaces ofrhz.
nancy replaces Harambey180.

[teacher]

Howdy. Im on page 4. Anyone want to influence my catchup?

[teacher]

@mod: Can we get a monday deadline to allow us replacements to interact a bit?

I know thats slightly longer than the 72 hours Ive seen given in my one other completed game here. I ask because I am generally v/la weekends, and 72 hours would put that smack in the middle of the deadline consensus forming etc.

[teacher]

OK, so I have read through all of the posts. I have not ISO'd anyone as I customarily do to do reads, so these are liable to change. Really, I just have meta/atmospheric comments that I am posting to try to reactivate the game state and to refine my own views before I go ISO diving. Please view any of these comments as questions if directed to your slots, or requests for comment/reactions from the board if directed to others.

I like Vulcan. The plays (joke townread, pressure move, etc) make sense to me, and set somewhat decent traps. Even though Vulcan has lurked out (NAI, but bad!town), but he didnt react to L-1 like I would expect newb-scum to. Basically, upon my own entry, I feel like Ventriloquist did on his - 142 - I like the Vulcan side of the early fight with Ircher better.

The obvious converse is that I found Ircher's reaction to be way over the top. 73 seemed weak. So did 75, especially given how quickly they backed off it. This one in particular seemed to be trying to spread the scum around to see what would stick. my early bad feelings were not alleviated by the late play - expressing disinterest, a naked vote without explanation on NSG, and then a no-lynch vote(!) seems off - but possibly too attention-centric to be scum? I can see aggressiveness here, and agree with Nacho that may be towny, but it could also be playstyle rather than alignment.

I dont know what to do with Harambe. I dont like the early hard defense of Ircher in 54, 59, and 80. I disagree with my former self on how hard to townread his leadership proposal - his activity seemed to assume he would have one of those slots -- something scum wants, but without the attention. On the other hand, I like the active questioning and encouragement of reads. This is NOT a null read, it is just a very confilcted one.

My hardest actual townread is Nacho. Her reads in 158, and the details in 164-167, are intelligent and convincing. I disagree with her on several points (103-Vulcan's vote progression; 164 - Ircher defense) but those are just disagreements, not actual differences. She is genuinely advancing the game.

NSG and Rampage are pretty null slots Id be looking for participation from. Draynth has a town lean that is stronger than Vulcan's but not a nacho (in part due to the Vulcan associations that he seems to be working to distance from).

Since I disagree with the vote from my old self, and since nobody is on my scummiest read, I will actually vote. The reasons are above. But Im looking for more play, please.

VOTE: Ircher

[TheRampage]

Teacher, keep in mind that I just subbed in yesterday. I read through, stated what I saw and voted. I have been fairly active since coming in.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Teacher

[Ircher]

okay so it's less likely we will get another extension hmmm

VOTE: No Lynch

hi, two questions:
1. why have you voted NSG?
2. why no lynch?

1. OMGUS more or less
2. Just cuz

[teacher]

Teacher, keep in mind that I just subbed in yesterday. I read through, stated what I saw and voted. I have been fairly active since coming in.

point taken. The two previous slot owners were the null ones. One day was not enough for me to have a gut of you (plus I was pretty glazed after reading through 13 pages all at once)

[vulcan logician]

I'm hating this game. I've read it twice, and my earlier reads haven't changed. It's frustrating, it's bland, and it's boring. But I'm not gonna replace out. I'd rather be the lynch, tbh.

I'd like to go ahead and switch back to Ircher, since he was my top choice anyway.

@teacher could you post any quotes from Ircher that ping you?

UNVOTE: harambe

VOTE: Ircher