Mini 2006: Scummer in this game UPick GAME OVER

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VOTECOUNT 1.34

Not_Mafia [2]

- Lady LambdaDelta, Momrangal

OnTheMark [1]

- MOMOMEN

Momrangal [3]

- Lovebird, Kokichi Oma, MariaR

Lovebird [1]

- OnTheMark

MariaR [5]

- Pine, MathDino, mastina, NicoRobin, Not_Mafia

Not Voting [1]:

Nahdia

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
You have (expired on 2018-05-19 18:00:00) to do so.

[NicoRobin]

Bumpity bumpity bumperino bump.

[Mathdino]

we literally have one goddamn day left and half the game is wasting votes on

- marangal, who we literally need to have alive in order to check mastina/nico

- N_M, who is incredibly likely to be town

LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH let's go!

[MariaR]

I'm prob getting lynched today so I'll post some type of reads list later before I hit the dust

[OnTheMark]

Blatant prod dodge.

I have dnd tonight. Still think scum controls this game and it’s just a popularity contest. No one besides me and my townreads are actually scumhunting and people are way too concerned about tearing others down.

[NicoRobin]

Blatant prod dodge.

I have dnd tonight. Still think scum controls this game and it’s just a popularity contest. No one besides me and my townreads are actually scumhunting and people are way too concerned about tearing others down.

Just like you are trying to tear us down no matter what, no?

[mastina]

Masons are a group of players who can speak to each other privately and

know that everyone in their group is not a member of the Mafia

. Whether the Masons' ability to privately communicate can be used at any time or at Night only is up to the moderator's discretion. The number of Masons can vary from game to game, and

it is not impossible for there to exist separate Mason groups within the same game

.

Alignment:
Pro-town

(Also, this is a quite serious dare.

Find me the last game to use a MAFIA Mason.

I'd be willing to bet you can't find one later than 2010. I know there's one in a notorious Large "Normal" which was singlehandedly the game responsible for launching the inception of the NRG, but that game also had a cult and lyncher in it among others. Yes, I said NORMAL. With airquotes for good fucking reason.)

It was a mini.
And the mason was to let them talk with their traitor. Again scum masons are a thing I have seen it. I do not consider it bastard and it is not bastard for it to exist. The mod never lies. The people are of the same alignment.

All of this ignores how the game in question was, quite explicitly, bastard.

Bastard games run by different rules by which I mean they run by NO rules. You can have a role be called a Sane Cop which is actually a vig in a bastard game; you wouldn't go on to then say "I have seen a sane cop which kills its target" just off of that game, would you? Same thing. Bastard games are explicitly games where the mod tells lies to the players. Mafia masons are a lie to the players. The game was choke full of mod lies as the mod themselves admitted, in addition to explicitly bastard roles like cult, jester, and the like.

You saying "but I don't consider that bastard". Doesn't mean shit. It means in your personal opinion it's not bastard. Except your personal opinion runs contrary to literally the fucking role as defined on the wiki as well as site meta. If you have seen scum masons in a non-bastard game, by all rights, share. If you haven't, the point holds. This game is explicitly non-bastard. That game was explicitly bastard. Thus scum masons aren't possible this game but were possible that game.

No fucking shit in a bastard game masons can be scum. I've seen that first-hand; in a bastard game I've seen the fucking innocent child be revealed as town while having started the game being mafia and having been culted the night prior to the reveal. Does that mean in a game which is explicitly non-bastard you then go on to lynch an innocent child who has been mod-confirmed to be innocent by having done their reveal? You would. Quite literally. Be gamethrowing if you did that.

Scum masons are bastard; this game is explicitly non-bastard. You cannot change that simple fact, no matter how hard you try.

[mastina]

Mastina said she never saw it.

And I maintain I haven't seen it because bastard games don't count as seeing it. Why? Because they are fucking bastard games when this game is not a bastard game.

If you say, "that game isn't explicitly bastard", you know what I'll do?

I'll put in the effort to track down the game signup to show you that it was explicitly bastard. Because that is a provable fact. Or if vonflare lied in the signups thread, I'll track down a ban announcement because

lying to the site administration

is not kosher and that's what running a fucking bastard game while announcing it as non-bastard would be. That game was, 100%, to the very core, bastard.

This game is, 100%, to the very core, non-bastard.

Bastard games, no rules apply. All hands off. You yourself have fucking lynched an IC in a bastard game using this very logic, so you can't say otherwise. I remember that quite clearly and am still salty about it. So you should, by your own stances established, be willing to confess that. That in a bastard game, anything goes; you can have a player be told they are a town doctor only to turn out to be a secret cultist, so secret even they didn't know, as an example. That's fair in a bastard game because bastard games involve moderator lies to players.

Non-bastard games, rules apply. All roles must be, and do, exactly what they say they do. Masons are explicitly conftown to one another, as per the wiki, which I repeatedly demonstrated. The rules dictate that. This game, being non-bastard, must follow the rules. And no matter how you try to bend reality to the narrative stating otherwise, these facts remain regardless.

[mastina]

I'm the reason why everyone has 1 shot anon msgs.
Will not go into any more detail

Okay, we'll just let your flip do the talking for you because there is literally no pro-town reason to hold that information back.

[mastina]

ngl I'm getting major cold feet from Maria just based on how she claimed.

I'm not; the way she claimed was exactly the way scum claim. There was momentum building on her near deadline, she claimed part of her role but refused to claim all of it, in order to dissuade further votes on her yet also to avoid being locked into a fullclaim on D1 and thus held accountable for the remainder of the game. She gave herself flexibility, a lack of accountability, she gave herself outs...all while placating the town by claiming something she hoped would make people less likely to lynch her.

I don't want to describe it as a scumclaim because that'd imply it was the role she claimed rather than the way she claimed.

But.

It was a claim made in the way scum claim.

[mastina]

Nahdia, do you think Maria would ATE hard as scum?

She has explicitly said as much in the past before, yes.

[Pine]

Maria's AtE makes me want to not vote her.

This is dangerous.

Kill it with fire.

[Kokichi Oma]

She's town, I have no motivation for this game. I've been right more than wrong on her alignment and I'm 99.9% sure she's town here.

[Mathdino]

so who the fuck is the scumteam kokichi

[Kokichi Oma]

whoever was/is cheeky slot. momrangel and LLD. I've been saying this for the past like 20 pages, but i understand you just replaced in for someone.

[Mathdino]

yeah, i just replaced into cheeky's slot

eddie cane has a strong argument for why i'm practically IC level conftown

we're not lynching momrangal because otherwise mastina and nicorobin don't get confirmed

do you propose D1 lynching LLD through her V/LA

[Mathdino]

if kokichi is pulling high quality metareading on mariaR, then he's PoE'd himself out of possible scumreads

i do not trust mariaR's meta on kokichi
i trust kokichi's townread on maria more

what do you guys say to just lynching kokichi instead

[Kokichi Oma]

What is the purpose of a town mason cop, literally no one has explained this to me.

[Kokichi Oma]

sure, you can lynch me. i really could care less. maria is town though.

VOTE: kokichi

[MariaR]

kokichi is lock town too

hell maybe I should've fake claimed masons at this point
Pedit: Don't you dare keep your vote on mon we'll vote scum till the death

[Kokichi Oma]

ftr mathdino, you couldn't read either of us last game when we were in a hydra so you'd give more pause this game like you actually tried to last game. so that's how i'm 100% your slot is lock scum. idgaf what eddie says

[Mathdino]

usually i take it upon myself to read people correctly/accurately

but you guys were consistently stubborn/anti-town in that game to the point where it would've taken an incredible suspension of disbelief to think that your actions were town-motivated

like here: how the hell can you ever claim 100% confidence on a D1 SCUMREAD

[Mathdino]

like i don't disagree that momrangal is likely scum
the fact remains that we need momrangal around to confirm mastina/nico as masons because otherwise OTM will be throwing a fit day in and day out

neither of you seem to have any concept of team-oriented play

momrangal is never getting lynched in the next 24 fucking hours

so do you have an actual realistic lynchpool

[Kokichi Oma]

how the hell can you ever claim 100% confidence on a D1 SCUMREAD

Why aren't you saying the same thing to Mastina then?

[Kokichi Oma]

Mom had 4 votes on her. I don't know the vote count now.