Newbie 1867 - Game Over

[northsidegal]

(yes, im trying to beetlejuice her)

hey, it worked!

sorry, been spending most of my time around here doing modding stuff (modding two games right now), really want to give this game more of my attention

Start by giving your opinion on Rampage.

his initial opinion on you into the 180 and vote is pretty suspicious and doesn't really look natural (i.e. it seems like there's ulterior motive there, perhaps defend town lynch into realizing that he just wants it to go through), but there's also the fact that i also scumread you independently of him, so a lot of what he's saying about what makes you seem scummy i actually agree with.

[Scioness Sajj]

omg people are here

my beetlejucies worked i dont believe

[Ircher]

Well, perhaps you care to elaborate/clarify his points? Because as-is, I don't think his case is objectively true from a logical standpoint.

[Ircher]

My read and vote on Ircher is because of how he has voted. He has been very inconsistent and has basically been the boy who cried wolf the entire game. To me he has drawn a lot of attention to himself. I feel like he is scum trying to portray that he is just playing as a very bad townie. He was one of my top scum reads while I was voting teacher and his predecessor; but because I had misread some of the original players comments, I felt like I had a very good read on him and wanted to lynch him first. Now that I feel my read was wrong because it was based off of my misreading said comments, I feel like Ircher is the next best bet for scum. Like, I feel that if I were to take my vote off and some one else vote for him, his vote would switch to that person. He has been very vocal and spread accusations to several players to try and see if he can't get a wagon going to save his own ass. And now that he is at L-2, he is going crazy overboard trying to defend himself. He says my logic for voting him is flawed, but he never even explains why he votes for who he votes. He acts as if we should never question him because he is town. Well, personally, I don't think he is. I think he is scum that is squirming because he was way too active and got caught, and now he is trying to break free and get to night.

This is basically his case on me:

1) I've been very inconsistent
2) I'm scum trying to be "too scummy to be scum"
3) I've jumped from one bandwagon to the next
4) I've been active and vocal and have spread accusations everywhere to see if something sticks
5) I've never explain why I vote who I vote
6) I act as if I shouldn't be questioned

[northsidegal]

omg people are here

my beetlejucies worked i dont believe

!!!

Well, perhaps you care to elaborate/clarify his points? Because as-is, I don't think his case is objectively true from a logical standpoint.

what do you think he's said that's not "objectively true"?

as far as i understand it, his main points against you were your voting pattern into your behavior being someone "trying to portray that he is just playing as a very bad townie", i.e. someone deliberately going for "too scummy to be scum". that's something i picked up on as well, if i recall correctly, noting the strange behavior after the wagon had formed on you.

[Ircher]

Of the 6 points I've listed above, I can basically prove more or less objectively that 1, 3, and 5 are false.

[teacher]

Hi Im here too but about 100 behind. Just put the kiddos down. Going to catch up for a bit but ping if you want to chat.

[vulcan logician]

Scioness, actually the biggest band wagon was Vulcan, who got to L-1. I feel like Vulcan is town and seems disinterested in what happens to him. I think Ircher is losing his mind more then Vulcan did at L-1. Only suck or a power role would lose it like that, and a power role would try to be less noticeable in my opinion. I have noticed non power roles will defend themselves, but not overly because it is better they be lynched then a power role, take Vulcan. I also feel like you are kind of low key protecting Ircher by trying to push on me, without actually openly protecting him. I say we lynch Ircher and if flips scum, we target you. If he is town, I will willingly sacrifice myself for the good of the town.

Yeah, I agree with rampage's assessment here. It does seem like you are being protective of Ircher, too. I'm getting a scummy gut read on Ircher and am hesitant to move my vote. But even if Ircher flips green, that will generate information... like your mild "protection" of him will seem far less sinister.

I'm like 60% thinking Ircher flips red. Now granted that's not the greatest chance, but barring a major slip, it's the best day 1 has to offer.

P-edit @Ircher: and 7) you're overly defensive.

[vulcan logician]

Wow. Tons of ppl are here. Let's use this moment wisely, eh?

[Scioness Sajj]

!!!

!!!!!

i'm so glad you are here

[Scioness Sajj]

Wow. Tons of ppl are here. Let's use this moment wisely, eh?

sorry no

nsg is here expect only shitposts from me lmao

[Ircher]

Hi Im here too but about 100 behind. Just put the kiddos down. Going to catch up for a bit but ping if you want to chat.

Read on Rampage and read on me, pls and ty.

[northsidegal]

Wow. Tons of ppl are here. Let's use this moment wisely, eh?

sorry no

nsg is here expect only shitposts from me lmao

[teacher]

Hi Im here too but about 100 behind. Just put the kiddos down. Going to catch up for a bit but ping if you want to chat.

Read on Rampage and read on me, pls and ty.

Wilco. Going to ISO you two before catching up. Can you provide a VC?

[Ircher]

Also, Rampage has failed to and continues to fail to pay any of my counter-arguments against his case any attention whatsoever.

[Ircher]

UNOFFICIAL VOTECOUNT #1.1
Ircher (3) - teacher, vulcan logician, TheRampage
nancy (2) - northsidegal
northsidegal (1) - Nachomamma8
TheRampage (1) - Ircher, Scioness Sajj (#592)
Draynth (1) - nancy

Not voting (1) - Draynth


With nine players alive, it takes five votes to lynch.

New deadline for Day One is Monday, 21st May, 11pm BST, (in 0 days, 20 hours, 31 minutes).

[Ircher]

*That should say 1 for nancy and 2 for Rampage, sorry.

[teacher]

Thanks. In your side-by-side ISOs now.

[Scioness Sajj]

oh

[northsidegal]

scioness, talk to me about your townread on ircher?

i honestly think both ircher and rampage could both be scum (individually, of course - i doubt partnered together), but if you're townreading ircher i could be convinced to vote rampage over him.

[Scioness Sajj]

is the rush hour over?




p.edit NSG!!!!!!!

[vulcan logician]

To me it seems there has to be scum in Ircher/Rampage/Scioness... either that or the scumteam is sitting back laughing their asses off as town cannibalizes itself. I'm willing to vote rampage because if he flips red great... if he flips green, we have a great lead to start the next day cycle. But at this point, I prefer an Ircher wagon.

@teacher could you at least check in from time to time as you catch up? We are all here. Let's interact a bit.

[TheRampage]

Look, I will be fine being lynched today cause I know what I am, and I feel like Ircher is scum. So yeah Ircher, your "proof" is irrelevant to me. I get lynched today, and now the town will have two suck suspects in Ircher and Scioness, I am okay with that

[Ircher]

Compromise?

Lynch Rampage today then consider lynching me tomorrow?

Pedit: If you are town, you should explain why my viewpoint is wrong.

[Ircher]

Like, you aren't engaging with me at all. How is that supposed to help you understand my viewpoint? (And vice-versa?)