Newbie 1867 - Game Over

Ircher · Post Post #675 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 12:55 am

We’re not lynching NSG.

nancy · Post Post #676 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:00 am

I read through nsg's ISO and meh, I can't decide whether her tone is the way it is because she's mafia or because she's trying to be extra serious player or something. Her meta reads are really weird but I don't know how alignment indicative that is. I think it's really bad to just meta read people and not talk about reasoning but I don't know how scummy I really believe it is. I don't entirely know whether she could actually be having the thought that because harambey wasn't "incredibly town" here (even though he really was) that he might be mafia, that seems like a ridiculous line of thought but it's possible that she actually had it I guess.

In post 625, northsidegal wrote:given rampage's VT soft right there i think that actually makes him the optimal lynch over ircher (assuming ircher hasn't claimed somewhere before and i've just missed it)

VOTE: rampage

I kind of think this post makes more sense if she's mafia though since I think she's basically saying that she thinks he's town at worst and not really taking a stance on his content at best? And if she's town I don't get why she would just openly state that Rampage has softed VT for the scumteam instead of, say, not saying anything, or saying he should claim in the hopes of getting him to claim a role so she could catch him in a contradiction, or literally anything else.

Also her townread on Draynth is ridiculously stretchy.

So... I definitely don't townread her but I can't really tell how much of it is playstyle or her doing weird things for Reasons. I would still rather lynch Draynth so that I have a chance to talk to her and maybe figure out the weird things and what they mean but no one wants to kill him and I don't really want to kill Ircher or TheRampage.

nancy · Post Post #677 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:01 am

In post 675, Ircher wrote:We’re not lynching NSG.

Because ______.

nancy · Post Post #678 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:08 am

In post 546, Ircher wrote:2. 516 by Nancy -->
Please give me the TL;DR version.

tl;dr I have a lot of confused thoughts.

nancy · Post Post #679 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:11 am

I really need to put down a towncase on you Ircher before I sleep tonight.

nancy · Post Post #680 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:13 am

Nacho where are you at? Give me the quick and dirty version :V

nancy · Post Post #681 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:14 am

In post 551, Scioness Sajj wrote:though, it seems im generally town read and it's slightly bothering.

Why would that bother you lol

Draynth · Post Post #682 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:41 am

In post 494, nancy wrote:
In post 220, Draynth wrote:UNVOTE: Ventriloquist
People don't really seem interested in this and given there's like 3 days left I should be on a wagon more people are ok with I think,

VOTE: Vulcan Logician

That's L-2

If anyone doesn't want vulcan lynched, can you please explain why?
I don't think I can read this post and understand it at all as coming from town. I don't think it makes sense that he would abandon a wagon simply because people didn't agree with his scumread, especially when it wasn't a weak read and when he hasn't really talked about that read or tried to convince anyone of it. I think if he were town then his push on Ventriloquist would have looked very differently. I don't think there was even a real push there at all.

As I've said before, It's entirely pointless to continue to sit on a wagon with 2 days left that people clearly aren't interesting in joining.
Town have to compromise in situations like this because otherwise you end up lynching people without giving them time to claim where necessary / nolynching / rushing a lynch.

In post 494, nancy wrote: I also think voting someone just because other players are more okay with it is a thought process that makes any sense at all from town but makes a lot of sense from mafia.

See above

In post 494, nancy wrote: Draynth has also not put forward any reasoning for why vulcan is mafia here or why he wants to lynch the slot. His only interaction with the wagon here is to ask if anyone doesn't want to lynch vulcan, which just ends up looking to me like a way to seem like he's interested in evaluating vulcan's alignment without actually doing anything to evaluate it.

I mean I listed him as a scum lean in 145, albeit it that was aggges ago.
I get why me asking if anyone didn't want to lynch vulcan is scummy to you.

In post 494, nancy wrote: I don't think the way that he's voted here without talking about anything that's been going on with vulcan and the discussion around the slot makes sense if he's town and I don't think the way he pulls off ventriloquist makes sense if he's town either.

This day phase has been super frustrating and weird. Pair that with a busy few weeks in work has left me very little time to actually make my thoughts on the game known, which I apologise for.

This week and next week I should have lots of time to play / read so I'm asking that you all bear with me for the time being.

We have 8 hours left and both TR and Ircher are on 3 votes.
The reason I keep harping on about voting pointless wagons is that they are just that; pointless. Why is anyone voting someone by themselves / voting someone who isn't here (NSG in this case) when it's next to impossible they get lynched today. All you're doing is distancing yourself from the wagon(s).

I'm going to decide which of TR / Ircher I think is more likely to be scum then vote them. Avoiding a nolynch is something we should aim to do here.

Scioness Sajj · Post Post #683 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:46 am

In post 681, nancy wrote:
In post 551, Scioness Sajj wrote:though, it seems im generally town read and it's slightly bothering.
Why would that bother you lol

bad omen

nancy · Post Post #684 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:48 am

I really like vulcan, I dig how he approaches the game. I like his posts when he talks about how he's thinking about things. His response to the progression thing early on where he said that he was either scum or just clueless town or something along those lines felt like a towny way to respond to that and sure I think the read progression is bad and his treatment of Draynth is bad but I can see a world where it is just chicken-headed town and not necessarily scummy so I don't come out of that feeling too bad about him. What really does it for me is the stuff Nacho pointed out about his mindset, I thought they were really good observations. I don't want to lynch him today.

I like the way TheRampage is just going at the game with all he's got and talking about how he's seeing things whether other people like it or not. I feel like if he were mafia he would be at least a little skittish about pushing Ircher but he's not at all. I also like the way that he's focusing on other things besides Ircher and not just spamming the thread and shoving the scumread down our throats. His read there and his treatment of it and his thread presence feel more town than mafia. I haven't put a ton of thought into this read and I haven't read his ISO super closely but I don't think I want to lynch him today.

Ircher is making a ton of posts about how he's thinking about the game, I haven't really had time to go through them in depth but I don't think that he puts in this kind of effort if he's mafia and I don't think that he's as all over the place in a bunch of ways if he's mafia. I think he would probably be more balanced and have more of a narrative or some sort of underpinning to his play but he just feels very free-wheeling and natural. I don't think he's as a bullheaded and opinionated as he has been if he's mafia. I also think the way that he's trying to read into alignment feels real, I haven't read the mastina article but the way he keeps referencing it and trying to apply it to his game feels like such a far-fetched thing to do as mafia and I just don't think he ever bothers. I think the way he's responded to pressure has felt town, he's not really trying to appease people and he doesn't feel manipulative, he just continues to put himself at the forefront of the gamestate and keeps talking about stuff that he's thinking and it all feels very town. I don't want to lynch him today.

Nacho's reads at the end of his ISO all feel like real thoughts, I like a lot of things about him, I don't really have any big issues with anything he's done, I don't want to lynch him today. (I don't think I really need to spend any more effort talking about this right now.)

That's where I'm at I think.

nancy · Post Post #685 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:53 am

In post 682, Draynth wrote:I'm going to decide which of TR / Ircher I think is more likely to be scum then vote them. Avoiding a nolynch is something we should aim to do here.

I don't think this is a town thought. I think it's a thought that mafia think town should be having and it might look like a town thought on the surface but I don't think it's a town thought.

nancy · Post Post #686 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:55 am

In post 682, Draynth wrote:As I've said before, It's entirely pointless to continue to sit on a wagon with 2 days left that people clearly aren't interesting in joining.
Town have to compromise in situations like this because otherwise you end up lynching people without giving them time to claim where necessary / nolynching / rushing a lynch.

You just feel like you're trying to justify yourself to me. I don't really think you're interested in solving the game, I think you're interested in not looking scummy.

Draynth · Post Post #687 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:55 am

In post 685, nancy wrote:
In post 682, Draynth wrote:I'm going to decide which of TR / Ircher I think is more likely to be scum then vote them. Avoiding a nolynch is something we should aim to do here.
I don't think this is a town thought. I think it's a thought that mafia think town should be having and it might look like a town thought on the surface but I don't think it's a town thought.

So are you saying nolynching is a good outcome from this day?
Genuine question

nancy · Post Post #688 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:57 am

nancy

Nacho
Ircher
vulcan
TheRampage

northsidegal

teacher
Scioness

Draynth

nancy · Post Post #689 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:59 am

In post 687, Draynth wrote:
In post 685, nancy wrote:
In post 682, Draynth wrote:I'm going to decide which of TR / Ircher I think is more likely to be scum then vote them. Avoiding a nolynch is something we should aim to do here.
I don't think this is a town thought. I think it's a thought that mafia think town should be having and it might look like a town thought on the surface but I don't think it's a town thought.
So are you saying nolynching is a good outcome from this day?
Genuine question

I don't see why this is what you care about talking about right now.

"I'm going to decide who is scum and vote them. This is towny because if I don't do this then we won't lynch anyone."

That is basically how I am reading what you are saying. It sounds really fake.

They could both be town. You don't seem to care about that possibility. There are other slots in the game that could be lynched besides them. You don't seem to care about that either.

Draynth · Post Post #690 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 2:02 am

In post 689, nancy wrote:
In post 687, Draynth wrote:
In post 685, nancy wrote:
In post 682, Draynth wrote:I'm going to decide which of TR / Ircher I think is more likely to be scum then vote them. Avoiding a nolynch is something we should aim to do here.
I don't think this is a town thought. I think it's a thought that mafia think town should be having and it might look like a town thought on the surface but I don't think it's a town thought.
So are you saying nolynching is a good outcome from this day?
Genuine question
I don't see why this is what you care about talking about right now.

"I'm going to decide who is scum and vote them. This is towny because if I don't do this then we won't lynch anyone."

That is basically how I am reading what you are saying. It sounds really fake.

They could both be town. You don't seem to care about that possibility. There are other slots in the game that could be lynched besides them. You don't seem to care about that either.

Because with 8 hours left until the deadline it's super unlikely that anyone will actually be around to form a lynch on someone outside of [TR, Ircher]
Of course they could both be town.
From what I can see we lynch one of them or we don't lynch at all, be my guest to get anyone else lynched but I don't see people following through on it before we run out of time.

nancy · Post Post #691 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 2:05 am

Vote: teacher

Ircher what about this instead of TheRampage?

nancy · Post Post #692 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 2:06 am

In post 690, Draynth wrote:Because with 8 hours left until the deadline it's super unlikely that anyone will actually be around to form a lynch on someone outside of [TR, Ircher]
Of course they could both be town.
From what I can see we lynch one of them or we don't lynch at all, be my guest to get anyone else lynched but I don't see people following through on it before we run out of time.

You clearly don't really care about anyone's alignment here and I think that's scummy.

nancy · Post Post #693 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 2:07 am

Nachoooooooooooooooooooo

Draynth · Post Post #694 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 2:08 am

In post 692, nancy wrote:
In post 690, Draynth wrote:Because with 8 hours left until the deadline it's super unlikely that anyone will actually be around to form a lynch on someone outside of [TR, Ircher]
Of course they could both be town.
From what I can see we lynch one of them or we don't lynch at all, be my guest to get anyone else lynched but I don't see people following through on it before we run out of time.
You clearly don't really care about anyone's alignment here and I think that's scummy.

If you say so

nancy · Post Post #695 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 2:09 am

The site needs @ping capabilities so badly.

@Mod

can you give pseudo-prods to people upon request like Plotinus does? Please "prod" TheRampage and Ircher and vulcan and northsidegal?

nancy · Post Post #696 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 2:09 am

In post 694, Draynth wrote:
In post 692, nancy wrote:
In post 690, Draynth wrote:Because with 8 hours left until the deadline it's super unlikely that anyone will actually be around to form a lynch on someone outside of [TR, Ircher]
Of course they could both be town.
From what I can see we lynch one of them or we don't lynch at all, be my guest to get anyone else lynched but I don't see people following through on it before we run out of time.
You clearly don't really care about anyone's alignment here and I think that's scummy.
If you say so

Is your apathy supposed to be cool? Because if so it's not working.

Draynth · Post Post #697 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 2:17 am

In post 625, northsidegal wrote:given rampage's VT soft right there i think that actually makes him the optimal lynch over ircher (assuming ircher hasn't claimed somewhere before and i've just missed it)

VOTE: rampage

What do people make of this?

Draynth · Post Post #698 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 2:18 am

In post 661, TheRampage wrote:Here, I will help you guys out.

VOTE: TheRampage

Go ahead, I am green and you can lynch Ircher tomorrow

I don't think I see scum trying to do this

nancy · Post Post #699 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 2:19 am

I'm not really sure what level to read teacher on. A lot of the stuff he says feels fake but I can't place exactly why and I think partly that's because he has a kind of odd writing style. I'm not sure if that's because he's ESL or it's just the way he writes. I wish I had time to go through his ISO properly but I've been really confused trying to understand some of his reasoning as well and I feel like that might be a scum thing. Also I hate myself for giving this read but I feel like he's going ad hoc sometimes to cover up sketchy argumentation that he's put into thread. Part of me is telling me that I shouldn't touch this slot until I have enough time to parse the playstyle properly but grrrr.