Mini 2011: Partition Mafia (Game Over)

[zMuffinMan]

er, if kokichi happens to be town*

[BuJaber]

Well I know for sure there's scum in wisdom/koki.

The way wisdom is sure this is my towngame I'm pretty sure this is his towngame.

But beyond that I've really been townreading his play.

To you it comes down to which is more likely. That eddie/koki has scum or me/RMOJ/fitz has scum.

I will consider lynching group 1 as an alternative but if both are town we just lose. Then again nsg didn't get much heat day 1 so putting him in a 2 player group is an interesting choice. Wouldn't they want to make the 2 player group an attractive choice considering that if both are town we lose if lynched?

Or maybe they are too afraid of putting 2 scum in one group. So this is again the most even split they can choose with 8 players.

I don't know considering I was wrong about dramon.. makes me think at least one of RMOJ/muffin is scum. I've so far never had a game where literally ALL my scumreads flipped town so I assume I'm right about 1 of you.

Fitz seems townie to me for some reason.

You know nsg/koki/RMOJ would be pretty strong here.

I'll just order the players based on how scummy they feel to me right now

Scum [koki, RMOJ, nsg, Eddie, muffin, fitz, wisdom]

[BuJaber]

Scum [koki, RMOJ, nsg, Eddie, muffin, fitz, wisdom]

Town

[zMuffinMan]

i've gotta take a nap because i'm exhausted after work but i'm probably going to approach today with the mindset of doing a reset, rereading the events that led up to koki's claim D1 then what happened afterwards and seeing whether i feel the same or different about it knowing the flips. might be around in a few hours to start rereading

[BuJaber]

Why I don't think wisdom was/is buddying me:

He was in my group

What does he gain from buddying me or whiteknighting me?

He started doing it way before any claims.

If I get mislynched alone and flip town maybe he gets credit for that. If he is in a different group maybe I'd be inclined to defend him also after seeing him buddy me. But he was in my group. The maximum he gains is sacrificing himself for me, and when you consider how many veterans are in this game I am definitely not worth the sacrifice of someone like wisdom.


Now why I'm town.. if my play isn't enough let's talk scum strategy.
Consider how many people were townreading me before koki's claim.

You're scum. You see town!buj getting townread, wis and bu forming a town bond. Pike/riku are town. They all vote for group 2 but nobody else is. You are struggling to build the wagon further. What do you do?
Koki claims scum is in group 2. Paradigm shifted. Thread explodes in posts. Wis/bu come under scrutiny. Pine/riku condemned to die.

They wanted 4 townies dead by sacrificing koki. That soundss like a better outcome for us on paper but I honestly think this is better. Sure lylo makes it scary but there are 3 scum here they are forced to partition. They have less 'safe' partitions than they do with 2 scum alive.
Also we all know there is definitely scum in koki/wis/bu.

[Eddie Cane]

move kokichi to group 3

you're all shit fuck that garbage lynch and forcing me to deal with scum muffin

anyways I'm only posting to declare

vla til 25th

fuckin dealing with lylo quickvoting now give me a break

[Wisdom]

^scum
why the fuck would you do that

[Wisdom]

though this at least guarantees a scumlynch, from my pov at least

but it fucking saves muffin once again

[Eddie Cane]

fitz and ROJ have a good bet of being scum, so do you and fromr PoV I just made group 3 a confirmed scum lynch, and you gamethrowing morons already fucked day 1 up the ass do if you're town I dont wanr ro hear your bullshit whining, and buj is quickvoting in lylo so he can have a present

[Wisdom]

yeah and since when do you care about my pov? especially if i have a chance of being scum as youre saying

[Wisdom]

if kokichi is the only scum in g3 its almost certain eddie and muffin are the other two

[Wisdom]

no, wait a second

if kokichi is the only scum in g3 we lose by lynching g3

eddie scumclaimed

[Kokichi Oma]

The way wisdom is sure this is my towngame I'm pretty sure this is his towngame.

What haha

[Kokichi Oma]

Okay I'm fine with being lynched now

[Wisdom]

of course you are

[Wisdom]

except we arent stupid
eddie's action is transparently scum

[BuJaber]

Yup

Nsg/eddie/koki

[BuJaber]

Still good with group 2

[Wisdom]

its muffin instead of nsg but yeah

[BuJaber]

Scum want koki dead.. they just want him to take out a lot of towns.

It actually might be koki/eddie/muffin. Makes a lot of sense to put them alltogether when you have a mover

[BuJaber]

Again it's partition mafia lylo not regular lylo and I know I'm town which means I have 3/7 chance of hitting any scum by not voting my group. And I was voting first so 4 people need to vote with me for lynch. My vote wasn't dangerous except to scum.

[Wisdom]

yeah eddie's excuse is bs
i suppose scum waited to see if we're gonna scumread bu over kokichi, and when that didnt happen they moved kokichi to g3 so we lose when we lynch him

[havingfitz]

Weekend catch up.

@Koki...there is no think...we are in LYLO. The only way we wouldn't have been in LYLO would be if there was a group with one player and it was lynched. As it stands...if the scum distro isn't 1-1-1 we are in LYLO.

Didn't Eddie soft a pr as well? So we have one group with 3 prs...2 used and one TBD. [p.edit this is apparently soon to be confirmed due to Eddie's potential move of Koki].

@BuJaber...do you seriously not know what Wisdom gains from buddying/white knighting you? For starters...what's your read on Wisdom and is it in part based on his read of you? That's the only reason I can see you giving in fact for TRing him. iirc.

@Wisdom...you're saying you think scum would put all their eggs in one basket today? And Eddie's move of Koki (pending it actually happening) is for show? I'll worry about alignment based links for Koki when he flips.

Also...if Koki IS the only scum in G3...a G3 lynch = game over. (ninja'd by Wisdom 1711).

Before Eddie's move I was leaning towards scum doing a distro of 1-1-1. I think there is no way in he// scum puts all three of their players in the same group.

Pre-Eddie move...if we think there is a 1-1-1 distro then I think G1 should be lynched. I tr Wisdom yesterday but his role in getting 4 townies in G3 lynched yesterday cannot go ignored. I think scum knows Wisdom is likely to be higly suspected today and puts him with a generally well regarded player in NSG. I think NSG is probably town and is a sacrificial price town would have to pay to eliminate Wisdom. Additionally...it only costs town 1 player versus the 2 or 3 townies a mislynch could cost voting out a different group.

I do not think both Wisdom and NSG are scum.

I was on the fence with G2. I think there is a strong likelihood that zMuff OR Koki are scum. I doubt they are both scum as putting then in the same group would be scum suicide IMO given how D1 played out. Of the two I lean scum towards zMuff. I think Eddie is town. His rage feels legit.

I think in my group the best bet at scum from a 1-1-1 pov is RMOJ. I think BuJaber is town. His play has been from a similar mindset that I have despite making the occasional comment I may have disagreed with. The majority of his thoughts have paralleled mine. RMOJ only G3 scum option imo via POE subtracting myself and Bujaber. I need to ISO RMOJ. Now that Koki is in G3 (presumably) I still think G3 has at most 1 scum.

I'm leaning G1 or G2 for my vote but I'm in no rush to place it. I think they both likely contain 1 scum and the loss of 1 town makes both those groups a better option than G3 unless there was a concensus that Eddie got it right and G3 now contains 2 scum.

IMM it comes down to who I suspect more...Wisdom or zMuff. TBD.

[BuJaber]

Fitz no.
I townread wisdom because even when I disagree with his thought process or reasoning I think it comes from town pov.

[BuJaber]

And putting all 3 scum in one group is actually very smart if eddie can move one of them.
If town suspect wisdom or me more than koki we lose lylo automatically by voting g1 or g3. If we suspect koki he can move muffin or koki out of g2.