Mini Normal 2012: Tropical Mafia [Endgame]

[havingfitz]

You're assuming that defending Garuga means I automatically agree with Garuga's perception (that his own post is bad).

You said his 18 was bad.

[havingfitz]

I don't like HF's use of "wtf" - his reaction seems a bit over-the-top.

I use it a lot. If you think it's scum alignment indicative of me vote me. Otherwise I could care less...especially given I'm sr'ing you.

[havingfitz]

he did give a reason for voting invisibility though.

I disagree that he would have no reason to elaborate on me like he did. As for invisibility...what was Garuga's case on him? Can you quote it?

[Shoshin]

You're assuming that defending Garuga means I automatically agree with Garuga's perception (that his own post is bad).

You said his 18 was bad.

No, I never said 18 was bad. Everything I said prior to Jar's vote suggested 18 was fine. And after Jar's vote, I said it "looks" bad but isn't scummy.

[Shoshin]

I'd still lynch Jar after Rampage. His overuse of leading questions suggests a predetermined desire to scumread me rather than an openness to figure out my intended meaning. He wants to tell a particular story instead of following the evidence.

[JarJarDrinks]

You're assuming that defending Garuga means I automatically agree with Garuga's perception (that his own post is bad).

You said his 18 was bad.

No, I never said 18 was bad. Everything I said prior to Jar's vote suggested 18 was fine. And after Jar's vote, I said it "looks" bad but isn't scummy.

OK but do u really think I'm scummy for assumming that what you meant was that 18 bad?

Like "looks bad but isn't scummy" isnt really a thing.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'd still lynch Jar after Rampage.

How do you still have Rampage ahead of me?

This looks like a pretty strong read:

Spoiler:

If I didn't find Rampage scummy, I'd vote Jar for that shallow attempt to throw a vote my way.

The problem with Jar is that he's making his case on me before trying to understand my thinking. That's how scum play, not town.

Jar interpreted my meaning in the worst light without any grounding for doing so. Or as I put it in 55, he made no attempt to understand my thinking before deciding I was scum, which resulted in biased analysis (i.e. misreading/misunderstanding).

Jar also interpreted my meaning in the worst possible light without any reason to do so, and that bias isn't "normal" at this point in the game.

No, that's not a natural assumption. Townies don't think to themselves, "oh, X feels town, so now I automatically agree with everything X says."

This post is confusing.

Are you saying that I'm calling you scummy because you don't agree with Garuga even tho u townread him?

No, that's not what I'm saying. But your overuse of leading questions is also scummy.

His overuse of leading questions suggests a predetermined desire to scumread me rather than an openness to figure out my intended meaning. He wants to tell a particular story instead of following the evidence.

Compared to

Spoiler:

Rampage's entrance has that trying-too-hard-scum-vibe.

Rampage's follow-up has confirmed my initial read.

[TheRampage]

I have to agree with Jar Jar right there. I mean, you have seriously pushed for me for the majority of the game; and while I would appreciate being one less vote, I think it is fishy that with very little proof or reason, you would go after Jar Jar before me.

[Mumble]

Hi. Looks like I missed RVS due to the weekend.

Shame.

[Shoshin]

OK but do u really think I'm scummy for assumming that what you meant was that 18 bad?

Yes, your baseless assumption was scummy because it formed the "inconsistency" that led you to vote for me. Why make the assumption if everything I'm doing suggests that 18 isn't scummy? The only plausible answer is a predetermined desire to interpret my meaning in a scummy light. Again, that's how scum play, not town. Now, I've said everything I want to at this point about why you're scummy, so unless you're trying to sort my alignment, let's not clutter the game with a pointless back-and-forth.

[Shoshin]

How do you still have Rampage ahead of me?

You're voting him, so I don't see why that's a mystery.

[Mumble]

VOTE: Shoshin

[havingfitz]

@Rampage....

could you answer my questions to you in post 115?

[JarJarDrinks]

How do you still have Rampage ahead of me?

You're voting him, so I don't see why that's a mystery.

The point is that you for someone that is your top scumread, u've sure said a whole lot of nothing about him.

Like you said that my scumread of you was shallow. Is your Rampage read deep?

[TheRampage]

@ Rampage...so you unvote Garuga because it was still there from a joking first vote....but what are your thoughts on Garuga currently? He has generated a good deal of suspicion/discussion.

I don't really find anything scummy about what he had posted. I think pushing for him with what is out there is trying to make something out of nothing. I don't find it scummy to admit that something you posted didn't sound the way you meant for it to. I mean, we all make mistakes. I am having a hard time right now actually trying to pin point things in most everyone's posts. There have been a few things I have noticed and will continue to look at before I take a stance on any bandwagons at the moment.

[JarJarDrinks]

Like you said that my scumread of you was shallow. Is your Rampage read deep?

To expound on this a bit.

Shosh says:

If I didn't find Rampage scummy, I'd vote Jar for that shallow attempt to throw a vote my way.

So my vote in 49 was shallow but the reasoning he gave for his vote was this:

Sho: Why do you think Rampage is scummier? The only suspicious thing I've noticed up until now is TBB's OMGUS vote.

Rampage's entrance has that trying-too-hard-scum-vibe.

[JarJarDrinks]

And he STILL hasn't said anything of significance about why rampage is his top scumread.

[JarJarDrinks]

going back
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Shoshin

[Invisibility]

I don't like HF's use of "wtf" - his reaction seems a bit over-the-top.

bad

JJD vs Shoshin is not SvS

VOTE: Shoshin

[Shoshin]

JJD vs Shoshin is not SvS

Why is JJD town?

[northsidegal]

Prodding Gustavo and Havo.

[Garuga]

Catching up from the weekend...up to post 108. Got to Shosin's post 58 and have to call BS. 18 isn't independently scummy...but 18 looks bad? Bad doesn't equal scummy to you? Garuga says the

only suspicious thing

he has seen up to this point is BBT's OMGUS vote and yet he votes me for an unexplained bad rvs post. Then you go on to say Garuga "had a reason for voting as he did." WTF was his reason again? Oh...the bad rvs post that wasn't even the only suspicious thing he had seen up to this point.

I don't know about most people but I tend to vote people I think are doing suspicious shit. Garuga and Shosin both scum reads for me.

@Shosin...WTF? How does the comment you quote from Garuga even come off as from town? smh....

Garuga's post 65 is terrible. iirc I touch on it in my last post.

@ BBT...who is your town read and why did you vote JJD?

@ Rampage...so you unvote Garuga because it was still there from a joking first vote....but what are your thoughts on Garuga currently? He has generated a good deal of suspicion/discussion.

@ Jodaxq...wtf?

@ bacy...but Garuga was under pressure for his post 18. He would stand to benefit as scum (or town) to explain himself. Why would he double down on me being scum...and also call out his defender (Shosin) as scum...but instead vote someone he has not given any reason for voting because their wagon looked more promising? How is any of that coming from town?

Piggybacking on this invisibility post because I missed the subject earlier...didn't Garuga go against his own advice he gives in post 34 when he votes me over BBT in #18?

Early reads:

Suspect - Garuga, Shosin

Lean town - JJD and BBT. And probably invisibility and Gustavo as well.

TBD - everyone else.

Rampage

...would you consider getting an avatar so your posts can be readily identified? While no avatar does set you apart...it just seems easier imo to quickly ID on any given page who is who from their avatars.

Read this post:

I guess I prefer voting someone who didn't give us any information with his post.

Explains why I voted you instead of BBT. The reason I thought Sho was scum was because I nullread TheRampage's opening post and she seemed very eager to defend me, as if she was buddying me.

Gustavo made 34, not me. 48 explains why I'm scumreading Invisibility.

[Invisibility]

JJD vs Shoshin is not SvS

Why is JJD town?

when did I say that JJD was town

[northsidegal]

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