Mini 2011: Partition Mafia (Game Over)

[Wisdom]

im not considering it because all the roles are not town
also because it makes zero sense
he could move him to g1 if he was so afraid, where we could still lynch him without losing
but no, he picked g3
which we cant lynch without losing

[Wisdom]

not to mention what bu said
there need to be 2 votes before scum can quickhammer, meaning bu's vote didn't cause any danger
so eddie using it as an excuse is utter bs

[zMuffinMan]

he could move him to g1 if he was so afraid, where we could still lynch him without losing

if he's town, he did this to SAVE kokichi, not get him lynched

if he's scum, he probably did the same but there's a layer of "is kokichi scum because of it?" around that

still, if he's scum, there are far better groupings and ways he could have used his role IMO

[Wisdom]

why are you okay with eddie being dumb as town but not okay with eddie being dumb as scum

[zMuffinMan]

because eddie being dumb as scum requires an entire scum team being dumb as scum

[zMuffinMan]

that's not impossible, i think it less likely than the alternative though

[zMuffinMan]

oh and the reason i assume this might mean kokichi-town if eddie is scum is because that's the only reality i see playing out here. e.g. do this, get G2 lynched, take it to D3 with kokichi looking bad in a 2-town group and pushing that lynch for the win. i suppose he could have been counting on people thinking this and calling kokichi town because of it though? i doubt it, but it's a possibility i suppose

that said... i think this is a risky plan unless he could predict how people will vote today, which is why i say there were probably better groupings if he's scum and this was a scum plan

[zMuffinMan]

also, you are the last person who has any right to talk about fucking up groups through use of role, wisdom

[Wisdom]

VOTE: group 3

[Wisdom]

nevermind, youre right
eddie being town is more likely than him acting so obviously as scum

[Wisdom]

its going to be something like kokichi/realmen/nsg and my reads are crap

[zMuffinMan]

To you it comes down to which is more likely. That eddie/koki has scum or me/RMOJ/fitz has scum.

prior to this switching occuring, i would have predicted G3 was more likely to contain at least 1 scum than any other group

post-switch, i still think that's the case, but this simplifies things a bit

i'm probably going to spend some time ruling out possibilities of wisdom+nsg, wisdom+eddie, nsg+eddie before i make a decision today

[havingfitz]

its going to be something like kokichi/realmen/nsg and my reads are crap

If you think nsg is an option and you're town...no way do you vote G3 while caveating your reads are crap. Yours should appeal to you most as it's not a potential town loss.

You're all over the place today imo. I think your group (based on you...not nsg) is the safest vote.

VOTE: Group 1

[zMuffinMan]

Okay I'm fine with being lynched now

if kokichi is scum, this might have been an unintentional slip that G3 was all town, which is part of why i don't think voting quickly is all that good idea

[Wisdom]

nsg is a distant option, ill obviously vote g3 over g1 which contains at least one town

[havingfitz]

The potential scum distro you outline Wisdom would result in a town loss voting G3 if youb are right. Who does that! Not town.

[zMuffinMan]

though i suppose it could have been a bluff on second thought

just felt like a bit of an in-the-moment reaction though

[havingfitz]

The potential scum distro you outline Wisdom would result in a town loss voting G3 if youb are right. Who does that! Not town.

Disregard...thought you had eddie...not rmoj.

[havingfitz]

Offline till tonight or tomorrow.
UNVOTE: for thinking.

[zMuffinMan]

Wouldn't they want to make the 2 player group an attractive choice considering that if both are town we lose if lynched?

funny thing about this. my gut reaction to seeing groups today was "wisdom is a cheeky scum fuck"

the way the groups are designed with him being in a 2-player group that was unlikely to be lynched today and me+eddie being together in a group (such that he could push the "1 of them is scum" angle) made me think he'd set up the groups specifically for this purpose

but on the chance that wisdom is actually town, this is almost 100% what they were expecting me to think after yesterday ended, which is why i said at the start of today that i want to try doing a full reset

i'll probably start going back over the game over the next couple days and just post observations about early game that i notice as i go through it

[BuJaber]

VOTE: group 2

I don't buy this eddie is town stuff. Eddie's move was anti-town. Eddie's move doesn't make sense from town pov. Eddie has to be scum.

And it is definitely possible eddie/koki/muffin are scum together.

Scum tried to go all in with it and it didn't work.

I think muffin is trying to salvage it by making us doubt koki's scumminess.

He says the move was dumb but the point was this was an emergency solution for scum. It is their hail mary if their original plan didn't work. It is not dumb for scum to put all 3 of them in one group today because we are at lylo and 3 scum can hammer quite easily.

Why is this a hail mary attempt? Because if the team is eddie/koki/muffin we lose if we lynch G1 or G3.

You have to consider that scum are playing to win today not tomorrow or any other day. They don't care that they get exposed because to them it's all or nothing.

Even if my scumreads don't factor in this.. let's think about how the groups were at the start.

We all know there is scum in bu/koki/wisdom. Maybe 2.
So why did they put 1 of us in each group?

Why not put 2 in a 4 man group or even a 5 man group?
That would have made our decision very difficult and would guarantee that 1 scum lives. Because you would be forced to kill the group that contains the 3rd guy.

Splitting 1 of us in each group forces town to choose which one of us is most scummy so we gain nothing from the guaranteed guilty.. they force us to rely on reads.

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[Wisdom]

town do antitown actions bu
it makes more sense than eddie deciding to scumclaim

[BuJaber]

I hope you reconsider. With the groups as they are I can't vpte G1 or G3.

Like unless nsg is scum g2 is the obvious choice.

And frankly the only argument I have against nsg is that she seems a little inactive. Which if I'm not mistaken is closer to her scum meta. But inactivity is a terrible reason to bet the game on.

[Wisdom]

do you townread both fitz and realmen

[zMuffinMan]

buj, salvage what? if we're scum, you literally just ignore me if you think koki is scum tomorrow after lynching me and eddie...

i think really if you want to argue that the team is me eddie kok you have to argue that the current situation is one we planned out, which seems stupid to me but maybe you disagree

to suggest we tried to go allin and then eddie panicked and threw a hail mary, as you put it, suggests a digusting lack of forethought. i like to think i would not be that stupid as scum