Mini 2011: Partition Mafia (Game Over)

[BuJaber]

do you townread both fitz and realmen

Not really but my suspicion of RMOJ is smaller than my trust in my partition analysis.

[implosion]

VOTE COUNT 2.3

1	2	3
northsidegal	Eddie Cane	BuJaber
Wisdom	zMuffinMan	havingfitz
		Kokichi Oma
		REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

Group 1

(0):

Group 2

(1): BuJaber

Group 3

(1): Wisdom
Not voting: 6 (BuJaber, Eddie Cane, Kokichi Oma, northsidegal, REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE, Wisdom, zMuffinMan, havingfitz)

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Deadline is in (expired on 2018-05-28 15:00:00).

[BuJaber]

buj, salvage what? if we're scum, you literally just ignore me if you think koki is scum tomorrow after lynching me and eddie...

i think really if you want to argue that the team is me eddie kok you have to argue that the current situation is one we planned out, which seems stupid to me but maybe you disagree

to suggest we tried to go allin and then eddie panicked and threw a hail mary, as you put it, suggests a digusting lack of forethought. i like to think i would not be that stupid as scum

The hail mary isn't about tomorrow.

The hail mary is to give you guys another shot at town mislynching.

Like if town lynched g1 or g3 pre-switch you guys just win.

If g2 got votes eddie moves koki to g3.

Now we have to question everything again.

The move was a plan B that has the same goal as plan A. Town picks the group that kills them today.

I don't think you care about being exposed. The way this played out you are playing just to win it here. If not you accept the loss.

I do imagine that you could have planned this out this way. It isn't far-fetched and it isn't a bad plan either. It isn't a scum mistake. Like you understand that if eddie/you/koki are the team you guys did nothing wrong in day 2? This plan is really good and if I can't get my fellow townies to agree then you still win.

You seem to think I'm underestimating your scum game by considering this but this is actually me assuming you are skilled at scum.

If you were bad scum or scared scum I would not think you are capable of putting 3 scum together.

Putting 3 scum together and having eddie switch you out requires forethought and having great ability to wifom your way out of a lynch.

I've never played with you before but your posts from day 1 already prove you'd be more than capable of that.

I should have taken the fact that you were advocating for what you thought was the objectively optimal strategy as a sign you were scum. In most cases the person trying to convince people that the best winning strategy is x and their reasoning is compeltely objective that person is scum. Town use subjective reasoning a lot more becauae they're not faking it. Scum are tempted to use objective logic as that is more difficult to refute. Especially when they argue with just pure facts or they do the correct math.

[zMuffinMan]

i think you're severely underestimating more than just me if you think eddie-scum panicked when he saw your single vote on G2 and thought "OH SHIT, TIME FOR PLAN B!"

besides, i can think of infinitely better plans without even having a full night phase to consider them. think, for example, how much better a 4-2-2 group would be with the current group 3 being the 4 - best case scenario, with an eddie-me-kok team, the 4 gets lynched and we just win without needing this "hail mary" thing...

anyway, delving into wifom territory here, but the point i was making is that in order for you to think it's an eddie-me-kok team, you'd have to think what we did here was planned and if you think eddie making us look this bad was part of the plan then i don't have words for you

[northsidegal]

i get the feeling that i'm going to lose this game

that being said, i still townread wisdom and i'm pretty sure that eddie/muffin aren't partnered, so i feel pretty safe in voting 3

[Wisdom]

why do you townread me

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:

damn

maybe lynching g1 is best after all

whether its eddie or realmen the other scum has to be nsg here

[northsidegal]

the way you went sort of "one man vs everyone" yesterday on the swap thing felt like a real thing you believe in.

maybe that's a lazy read, though.

[northsidegal]

UNVOTE:

damn

maybe lynching g1 is best after all

whether its eddie or realmen the other scum has to be nsg here

i really think the read you're wrong on is bujaber.

[Wisdom]

right
and who is scum with bu?

[BuJaber]

We'll see about that

If you are the team you tell me at end game if you actually planned this out or not.

How is 4-2-2 better for scum... who would you put in the 2/2 groups? Because if koki is put in the 4 and me and wis are in another group nobody will think the 4man group is all town. They just can't lynch there meaning most likely koki gets confirmed as scum.

This way you could still argue that scum eddie moved town koki to make town suspect wis or me.

Take 48 hours.. the full night period and come up with all the partitions you think are better for eddie/muffin/koki than this one.
I don't think there are any but maybe you'll convince someone else. I am but one vote after all.

Eddie didn't get scared because of my vote. He freaked out because he may not be here and town could have hammered g2.

So if eddie is freaking out about a quickhammer before he returns then does it make more sense that he went with the option to put koki with 3 other people instead of with 2 others? If you are town and freaking out you hedge your bets you don't just use your PR carelessly like that.

If eddie wants to rage at something he should rage at how inadequate you guys think he could be at composimg himself under pressure.

[northsidegal]

I don't buy this eddie is town stuff. Eddie's move was anti-town. Eddie's move doesn't make sense from town pov. Eddie has to be scum.

i think there's never a world in which bujaber actually believes this. i think his thought process is a lot more complex as town - complex to the point where other people can't even understand it, from what i remember of the games i've read / played with him.

[BuJaber]

@muffin obviously

[BuJaber]

Nsg there's nothing simple about it .. read the follow ups

[Wisdom]

VOTE: group 1

[Wisdom]

bu is town. bu-scum does not fake all of this thought process. he might be very wrong about things but hes town. if im right on something this game, it's this.

[BuJaber]

I don't understand the votes on g3.. if you think eddie is town why would you assume 2 scum in g3? Town!eddie doesn't know the scum it would be by sheer luck. Also if 2 scum are in g3 (means koki is scum so wisdom isn't) then 1 scum isn't in g3 so you still have to consider who is scum between muffin/nsg. And if so why not make that choice now since it's the same risk. You either are right about 2 scum in g3 or we lose. Or you are right about which one of g1/g2 contain scum or we lose.

And if you think eddie is scum you should vote g2.

[northsidegal]

Town!eddie doesn't know the scum it would be by sheer luck.

what kind of statement is this?

do you think town eddie is completely incapable of having a correct scumread?

Also if 2 scum are in g3 (means koki is scum so wisdom isn't) then 1 scum isn't in g3 so you still have to consider who is scum between muffin/nsg.

false dichotomy - you're implying that it's either 1 or 2 - it's completely possible (even if you consider it unlikely) that it could be three. i really don't like you using this reasoning to push one scum within me/muffin.

[northsidegal]

wisdom i'm town, i think you're town and i'm not going to let my lynch be the reason town loses this.

i know i've been kind of disengaged with this game and that's close to my scum meta but i actually care about this game. i'm not letting my own lynch happen.

[Wisdom]

i dont know your scum meta and dont care
youre scum because youre trying to push bu and because poe

[northsidegal]

Get better.

[Wisdom]

also

right
and who is scum with bu?

[BuJaber]

Yeah well it's hard for me to consider alternatives when there's only one team that makes sense to me.

And yes technically there could be 3 scum in group 3 but that would mean fitz and rmoj are both scum (both under suspicion by a lot of people in day 1) decided to put each other in the same group. So resoectfully no. It's not a false dichotomy.

[northsidegal]

I think this is actually a good thing, actually - i've found recently that the threat of my own lynch as town really gets me engaged.

Wisdom - meta should really be something you care about when it's a lylo-game-changing-decision, and

especially

in as clear a cut case as my meta.

also

right
and who is scum with bu?

Fitz, probably - i'm going to read over it more. i still think it's unlikely that we don't hit two scum by lynching group three so the specifics don't matter to me that much - making sure eddie / zmuffin isn't a team would make more sense as a priority.

[Wisdom]

bu why doesnt nsg/kokichi/rmoj make sense in your theory?