Mini 2006: Scummer in this game UPick GAME OVER

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mastina, boil it down. It's getting painful to read.

What are your scum reads?

[NicoRobin]

And let's lock up this argument right here.

Townbloc Pine, LLD, Mathdino, Mastina. OTM and Nico are Town too, but don't get a vote until they stop being dumbasses.

If by 'stopping being a dumbass' you mean 'stop scumreading OTM' then hell no.

I have my own reasons for scumreading him and being told by you to stop scumreading your hive-master isn't gonna change my read on him.

[Pine]

So OTM. Let me get this straight.

Mastina and Nico are claimed Masons

With no counter

Who claimed on page two

And didn't back down when other Masons claimed

Said Masons now being busted

And there's a confirmed Town Mason-Cop

And they're claiming the vig kill on flipped scum

Plus their claims made a TON of sense once the obfuscation was pulled back
>>>>>Yes, I know there's an irregularity with Nico, but she fullclaimed to me in the one-shot message, and it gets cleared up

Also Mastina continues to bleed Town

And her Asceticizer claim makes no fucking sense when you have a full Ascetic on the scumteam.

........but sure. Tell me more about your mostly-OMGUS scumread.

Tunnel better in the future please.

[Pine]

Mastina, control your partner, please. I'm aware of reasons we can't policy her, but it's super tempting.

[NicoRobin]

Mastina, control your partner, please. I'm aware of reasons we can't policy her, but it's super tempting.

You want to policy me because I scumread OTM?

[Nahdia]

When Nico said you got gifted vig?

I am really trying here but this looks likes more bullshit on the pile.

I hate to be the one to point this one, but it's that, or Nico has poor game comprehension in this instance.

...I think I know which one I feel is more likely. Sorry, Nico.

I feel in agreement atm that Nico & OTM is TvT.

I don't like how MathDino is just handwaving both Not_Mafia and Lovebird's slot. Not_Mafia being based on his predecessor's meta is one thing which I can't really be expected to take at face value but I can accept the read being a thing. But clearing Lovebird because you think beeboy had a soul read and you're positive he was right is just... dumb, quite frankly. Hell, he's my slot and I'm telling you to not take that at 100%. beeboy does shit like randomly claiming masons, dude. He's a good player but I've seen him be confident and wrong before. Not saying I'm scumread Lovebird, I really don't have much to say on him at all, but I am going on the record as throwing shade at anyone who wants to just mark them off as clear.

I need to actually get some confident reads I can push rather than just casting doubt at everyone else. Bleh. The sheer amount of setup spec going on here is iffing me out but I tend to agree with the conclusions that Nico, mastina, and OTM are all likely town. Pine and MathDino's claim doesn't do anything for me alignment-wise. I could see either of them being mafia, both have done stuff I haven't liked since I've tapped into the game. Doubtfully both though.

[Pine]

Mastina, control your partner, please. I'm aware of reasons we can't policy her, but it's super tempting.

You want to policy me because I scumread OTM?

I want to policy you for being obnoxious. And, apparently, for being the kind of player who only reads posts where someone is saying something they don't like. If you'd read the post immediately before that, I threw the book at OTM defending you.

Be more third-grader-ish.

[NicoRobin]

Mastina, control your partner, please. I'm aware of reasons we can't policy her, but it's super tempting.

You want to policy me because I scumread OTM?

I want to policy you for being obnoxious. And, apparently, for being the kind of player who only reads posts where someone is saying something they don't like. If you'd read the post immediately before that, I threw the book at OTM defending you.

Be more third-grader-ish.

Then why don't you vote him? Are you so repulsed by me that you refuse to vote him solely because I scumread him?

And about having charisma, I tried playing nice at one time. I tried convincing people in a nice way. No one listened until it was too late. So if I have to be obnoxious in order to prevent another loss, then so be it.

[Pine]

As I have said, I think your dispute is TvT.

[NicoRobin]

And about being obnoxious, considering I and mastina caught scum in 1936 when no one else did, I think both of us have the right to be a little obnoxious....

[NicoRobin]

As I have said, I think your dispute is TvT.

Care to explain why his

1. Shading of masons is town?
2. His persistence to continue shading masons when multiple people (yourself included, as you just said) keep telling him why he is wrong is town?
3. His constant vote-hopping and his refusal to lynch me, thereby allowing us to prove that we're indeed masons is somehow town?

[NicoRobin]

Especially since I caught scum in Mini 1936 for this exact reason (shading confirmed town, poking and prodding at their status to discredit them).

[NicoRobin]

I am extending you an olive branch and am willing to work with you. Make use of this chance rather than sprouting useless comments about how I am obnoxious and stuff

[Nahdia]

As I have said, I think your dispute is TvT.

Care to explain why his

1. Shading of masons is town?
2. His persistence to continue shading masons when multiple people (yourself included, as you just said) keep telling him why he is wrong is town?
3. His constant vote-hopping and his refusal to lynch me, thereby allowing us to prove that we're indeed masons is somehow town?

Well, do you think those things are scum? Seriously, when I think of who would do that, I come to it being much more likely that it's a headstrong, wrong town than brazen scum. I'm not saying it's not possible; Math could be pulling the wool over all our eyes here, but it's a very ballsy play, and one that pretty much eliminates any credibility he has to push lynches elsewhere.

[NicoRobin]

Yes, I do, considering that in my past experience, someone who shaded town was [censored] scum. Therefore, doing these things is scummy move.

[NicoRobin]

But don't take my word for it, go read Radical Rat's ISO in Mini 1936. It's filled to the brim with the exact same type of shading OTM is doing here. The exact same type.

Seriously, just read that game and get your mind out of the gutter. I am tired of repeating the same thing over and over and having it fall on deaf ears. So compare Radical Rat's ISO in that game and OTM's ISO in this game and then write me a 150 character essay about whether or not their ISOs are different.....

*yawn*

[OnTheMark]

But don't take my word for it, go read Radical Rat's ISO in Mini 1936. It's filled to the brim with the exact same type of shading OTM is doing here. The exact same type.

Seriously, just read that game and get your mind out of the gutter. I am tired of repeating the same thing over and over and having it fall on deaf ears. So compare Radical Rat's ISO in that game and OTM's ISO in this game and then write me a 150 character essay about whether or not their ISOs are different.....

*yawn*

Dude...Like I am not Radical Rat.

I don’t care if Radical Rat was scum that game.

I am not him.

That would be like me applying Titus’s meta to a lurker then calling them scum for lurking because Titus doesn’t lurk. Furthermore Mastina knows what my weakness is a scum. I’ve told her on multiple occasions. If after talking with Mastina both of you feel I am scum then Mastina can tunnel me into paste.

I am really trying to be more open minded but in general it is harder than most for me to do a uturn.

Especially when I get continually insulted by someone who isn’t talking with their “mason” partner. Like I still don’t even know if you’re sorry for damn near putting me through what feels like literal hell. Even if I am scum (which I am not) no person deserves what you did and to be frank it is clouding my judgment.

When people are calling for your policy lynch for being despicable I can’t exactly stop them even though I want the time to process what Mastina says when I am off work. If I come back to a shit ton of pages and caps of me being scum and that you don’t even treat me with site rules decency it makes me want you to be scum.

[OnTheMark]

So OTM. Let me get this straight.

Mastina and Nico are claimed Masons

With no counter

Who claimed on page two

And didn't back down when other Masons claimed

Said Masons now being busted

And there's a confirmed Town Mason-Cop

And they're claiming the vig kill on flipped scum

Plus their claims made a TON of sense once the obfuscation was pulled back
>>>>>Yes, I know there's an irregularity with Nico, but she fullclaimed to me in the one-shot message, and it gets cleared up

Also Mastina continues to bleed Town

And her Asceticizer claim makes no fucking sense when you have a full Ascetic on the scumteam.

........but sure. Tell me more about your mostly-OMGUS scumread.

Tunnel better in the future please.

Because scum have a need for a ninja and town doesn’t. And that I am a counter to them.

It’s like I exist to stop Mastina from acting.

She has fake claimed masons as scum and not been countered before and won.

I am the ascetizer not her.

I am paranoid I admit that and I will try to re read Mastina’s ISO tonight

However I pretty much have 0 desire to talk with Nico

[Not_Mafia]

Not_Mafia doesn't like having to play with mastina and will always try to policy lynch her

Citation needed.

I don’t dislike mastina I just don’t read any of her posts over 5 lines since the longer posts invariably could have been 5 lines or fewer and I don’t appreciate someone actively wasting my time

[mastina]

Mastina, boil it down. It's getting painful to read. What are your scum reads?

Do you see me voting?

Me, the person who always has her vote SOMEWHERE, voting?

...There's good reason for that; I have none. If I had scumreads, you can bet I'd be voting them right now but I'm honestly not sure where to go right now.

I know where

not

to go.
I'm not going onto OnTheMark.

I don't know where TO go.

And I still need to figure that out.

[OnTheMark]

Mastina I will be home in 30-45 to chat and try to sort you.

Will you be online?

Driving now not reading.

[mastina]

Mastina, control your partner, please.

It'll be easier to do that when I have an idea of what to give her. She needs a target. OnTheMark is a bad target, but telling her that doesn't do her a lot of good; I need to give her a good target. I realize it's unfortunate her current target is OnTheMark because that's a bad target, but I'm telling you that just saying that doesn't do any good.

You need to give her direction that isn't bad. I'd love to, my efforts right now are focused on trying to do that, but I don't have any scumreads. All I've got is varying strengths to townreads.

[mastina]

I feel in agreement atm that Nico & OTM is TvT.

As am I, though that doesn't mean the discussion is worthless in of itself; I'd love to get a good chance to really look at how others have been treating the fight and what stances they are likely to take. (A particular one I need to crossreference is Kokichi.)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mastina, boil it down. It's getting painful to read. What are your scum reads?

Do you see me voting?

Me, the person who always has her vote SOMEWHERE, voting?

...There's good reason for that; I have none. If I had scumreads, you can bet I'd be voting them right now but I'm honestly not sure where to go right now.

I know where

not

to go.
I'm not going onto OnTheMark.

I don't know where TO go.

And I still need to figure that out.

I told you OTM was town yesterday via their claim to me. Don't worry about that, they're never being lynched as long as I breathe.

have you read any of my thoughts?

[mastina]

Because scum have a need for a ninja and town doesn’t.

Uh-huh.

She has fake claimed masons as scum and not been countered before and won.

This is an outright lie. I've never done that before as scum because I've never claimed masons as scum. I've offhandedly said 'my masonbuddy' as scum, but the comment made was deliberately vague, meant to cause said player to be nightkilled and give me towncredit because the game was multiball (it did exactly that), and was worded ambiguously enough that it was generally considered referring to a past game (the past game of the same game moderator and same theme even) where I was actually masons with that player.

And if you think that qualifies.

Then we're done talking.

Because no it fucking doesn't. And anyone can tell the difference.

I've inherited a mason fakeclaim...but that was

inherited from Titus

. Titus started it. Titus was the one doing it. Not me. Not my choice. I was a replacement; I was continuing what she was doing. So you can't say that's me, either. Because anyone can tell that no fucking shit a scum replacement inheriting a mason claim isn't going to suddenly retract it. (See also, why people townread Nahdia.) Anyone in my position would've done the exact fucking same thing, because anyone in my position would keep the claim going.

So if you think that inheriting a claim which wasn't even mine counts.

We're also done talking.

Because no that doesn't fucking count because it was something I had no control over.

I have never fakeclaimed masons as scum, nor will I ever fakeclaim masons as scum. It's just not something I'd ever have a reason to do.