Mini Normal 2012: Tropical Mafia [Endgame]

[TheRampage]

Rampage, is this your first game of mafia?

No it is not. It is none of my first games in years, but not my first game

[Shoshin]

It was just a little funny to me that his defense is like, so you seriously think JJD is town. Not that you are scummier or anything. Feels almost as if it was a slip cause he doesn't really come out and say he shouldn't think he is scum.

Why do you assume my post was defensive in nature?

[JarJarDrinks]

Jodaxq

- town. Good scumhunting. Like the questioning of shosh, BBT and fitz. Thoughts mirror mine alot

havingfitz

- townlean. seems to be scumhunting. Has same thoughts as I do about shoshins garuga defense

bacy

- townlean. not many posts but I like most of em

Garuga

- null lean town. Not very much in his iso but looks ok. trying not to conf bias but a scum-shosh probably doesnt defend a scum-Garuga

texcat

- null. do stuff

Mumble

- null. do stuff

Havo

- null. do stuff

Gustavo

- null. do stuff

BlueBloodedToffee

- null scumlean. hasn't done much. His few posts arent very good

Invisibility

- scumlean. the whole not SvS thing looks bad and his iso has alot of shallow posts

TheRampage

- scum. his seems to shade shoshin a bit but is very reluctant to vote there. Also he hasn't talk about another player in the game (aside from his most recent terribad vote for joda)

Shoshin

- scum. I've posted plenty about my read here

[TheRampage]

It was just a little funny to me that his defense is like, so you seriously think JJD is town. Not that you are scummier or anything. Feels almost as if it was a slip cause he doesn't really come out and say he shouldn't think he is scum.

Why do you assume my post was defensive in nature?

I didn't assume it was defensive. I made the observation that it was interesting to me that you chose not to defend yourself really, but to question Garuga's town read on JJD.

[Gustavo]

you know I really hate when people do stuff like that. sometimes people are busy irl, telling people to "do stuff" isn't really being helpful and it kind of pisses me off.

[Shoshin]

It was just a little funny to me that his defense is like, so you seriously think JJD is town. Not that you are scummier or anything. Feels almost as if it was a slip cause he doesn't really come out and say he shouldn't think he is scum.

Why do you assume my post was defensive in nature?

I didn't assume it was defensive. I made the observation that it was interesting to me that you chose not to defend yourself really, but to question Garuga's town read on JJD.

Not Garuga's townread, Invisibility's. And if you didn't think it was defensive, why do you analyze my post as a "defense"?

[JarJarDrinks]

you know I really hate when people do stuff like that. sometimes people are busy irl, telling people to "do stuff" isn't really being helpful and it kind of pisses me off.

Spoiler:

I aint out here berating y'all. I posted a readslist and was explaining that I'm nullreading several people cuz they haven't done stuff yet.

[Shoshin]

Invisibility - scumlean. the whole not SvS thing looks bad and his iso has alot of shallow posts
TheRampage - scum. his seems to shade shoshin a bit but is very reluctant to vote there. Also he hasn't talk about another player in the game (aside from his most recent terribad vote for joda)
Shoshin - scum. I've posted plenty about my read here

Invisibility/Rampage/JJD team makes lots of sense.

[Shoshin]

You're assuming that defending Garuga means I automatically agree with Garuga's perception (that his own post is bad).

You said his 18 was bad.

Where?

[Shoshin]

Jar, please respond to my questions in 197.

[JarJarDrinks]

You're assuming that defending Garuga means I automatically agree with Garuga's perception (that his own post is bad).

You said his 18 was bad.

Where?

why'd u just dig that up? u already responded to it.

pedit: looking now

[Shoshin]

You're assuming that defending Garuga means I automatically agree with Garuga's perception (that his own post is bad).

You said his 18 was bad.

Where?

why'd u just dig that up? u already responded to it.

I responded in a way that didn't require a response on HF's part, but actually I need to understand his error better to read him.

[TheRampage]

It was just a little funny to me that his defense is like, so you seriously think JJD is town. Not that you are scummier or anything. Feels almost as if it was a slip cause he doesn't really come out and say he shouldn't think he is scum.

Why do you assume my post was defensive in nature?

I didn't assume it was defensive. I made the observation that it was interesting to me that you chose not to defend yourself really, but to question Garuga's town read on JJD.

Not Garuga's townread, Invisibility's. And if you didn't think it was defensive, why do you analyze my post as a "defense"?

To me, in this game, I feel like people can argue their case and not be defensive. To me, in this game, defensive is writing ten paragraphs explaining detailed reasons from previous games as to why you can't be scum or just going off the walls crazy. To me, being defensive and giving a defense are two different things.

[JarJarDrinks]

Yes, you were jumping to conclusions because (a) I hadn't said anything about 18 "looking" bad when you voted me, (b) 47 clearly indicates that I don't think 18 is bad, and (c) as you yourself admit, all my questions and posts prior to your vote suggested that 18 wasn't bad, so why would you assume I thought it was bad? If all my behaviors suggest 18 isn't bad and I never said anything that implies 18 is bad, why would you make that assumption?

Bad question.

I disagree with the premise that you didn't imply that 18 was bad.

The fact that your behavior suggested that 18 isn't bad but you later imply that it was bad is exactly what I find scummy.



even before the post where u said it "looks bad but isn't scummy" it seemed like u were implying it was bad:

why are you defending a post from Garuga that he himself admitted was bad?

That's precisely why.

To me this post is you admitting that 18 is bad.

[Shoshin]

Rampage, you didn't answer my question. Why'd you assume my post was a "defense"?

[Shoshin]

why are you defending a post from Garuga that he himself admitted was bad?

That's precisely why.

To me this post is you admitting that 18 is bad.

How so?

Garuga's town because he called his own posts bad, which demonstrates a lack of concern about appearances, and because the OMGUS point shows that he's looking for the underlying meaning to every post, including naked votes during RVS.

Why do you keep reading 46 without taking into account 47?

[Shoshin]

To me this post is you admitting that 18 is bad.

Why do you use the word "admitting" when nobody ever asked me if 18 was bad?

[TheRampage]

Rampage, you didn't answer my question. Why'd you assume my post was a "defense"?

Because, when it was brought up that the discussion between you and JJD wasn't svs but tvs, you said why is he town? That implies you are saying you are town and not him, which is a defense. Or were you trying to say it was tvt, which would still be you saying you aren't scum. To me, it sounded like instead of coming out and saying you weren't scum, you questioned the reasoning behind the idea that JJD was.

[Shoshin]

Jar, why didn't you unvote after 50? It should have clarified your misunderstanding.

[JarJarDrinks]

Why do you keep reading 46 without taking into account 47?

because 47 is simply you just explaining why you townread garuga.

I never asked you why you townread him. I wanted to know why you were specifically defending post 18.

[Mumble]

you know I really hate when people do stuff like that. sometimes people are busy irl, telling people to "do stuff" isn't really being helpful and it kind of pisses me off.

Agree.

Plus, I am doing stuff. Sorry if you don't care for/understand what I am doing.

[Mumble]

I aint out here berating y'all. I posted a readslist and was explaining that I'm nullreading several people cuz they haven't done stuff yet.

No. You said "do stuff" which is a command.

If you were explaining that you were nullreading several people "cuz they haven't done stuff yet" you would have said "Null. Hasn't done much yet."

[Shoshin]

Why do you keep reading 46 without taking into account 47?

because 47 is simply you just explaining why you townread garuga.

I never asked you why you townread him. I wanted to know why you were specifically defending post 18.

47 refers to 18. So, again, why are you ignoring 47 when evaluating the meaning of 46? And you still haven't explained how 46 implies that 18 is bad.

[JarJarDrinks]

Why do you keep reading 46 without taking into account 47?

because 47 is simply you just explaining why you townread garuga.

I never asked you why you townread him. I wanted to know why you were specifically defending post 18.

47 refers to 18. So, again, why are you ignoring 47 when evaluating the meaning of 46?

47 just explains why you would be defending Garuga. It doesn't explain why you'd be specifically defending that post.


Furthermore:

If I had to guess, I'd say the three votes on Garuga's 18 were town. But those are very weak reads.

So 3 people that you weren't scumreading said the post is bad AND the person that made the post said it was bad.


Like the bottom line is that 18 is bad and you defended it.

[JarJarDrinks]

And you still haven't explained how 46 implies that 18 is bad.

when I ask why are you defending a bad post and you give a reason and that reason isn't "because it wasn't a bad post" then you're conceding that the post is bad.