Mini Normal 2012: Tropical Mafia [Endgame]

[Shoshin]

Bacy's question isn't weird. I had the exact same response to Havo's question. I don't like the idea of telling the scum exactly who my strongest townread is, nor do I see how my answer offers any "insight" to my alignment. I'll say that Tex is my weakest townread of the three. The other two are fairly strong town.

[Shoshin]

Garuga, I still want to know how 80, 132, or 198 evidence scumhunting.

Does it really matter?

@Shoshin,

Who’s more town out of textcat, Jodaxq and Bacy?

what are you hoping to get out of this question?

that was a weird question by bacy.

This feels off. Gustavo asks the same type of question as Bacy (questioning a question), except Gustavo's question is leading rather than open... and then he calls the question weird...

[Gustavo]

it isn't the same type of question though.

[JarJarDrinks]

Bacy's question isn't weird. I had the exact same response to Havo's question.

You gave 3 people a blanket townread so I think it only makes sense to ask you to expound on it.

I don't like the idea of telling the scum exactly who my strongest townread is

Why? What is scum gonna do with that information?

nor do I see how my answer offers any "insight" to my alignment.

the answer alone may give a little insight but the reason to ask this is because making people put their opinions out there can only help as we get further along. If you flip scum at some point I'll look back at what u answered here w/ some interest.

[Shoshin]

it isn't the same type of question though.

Why is your question "okay" but Bacy's "weird"? What's the intent behind your question? What were you hoping to learn?

[Shoshin]

Why? What is scum gonna do with that information?

It gives them a better idea about who they should bring to LYLO.

[Invisibility]

it isn't the same type of question though.

not really

[Gustavo]

it isn't the same type of question though.

Why is your question "okay" but Bacy's "weird"? What's the intent behind your question? What were you hoping to learn?

my question is ok because I asked it.

but seriously. what is the point of asking him to explain how it is scum hunting especially when he sort of does already iirc. If he explains it, are you going to change your opinion? I don't think so.

bacy is questioning havo's attempt to try and get somebody to provide reads. Getting reads from people is much more beneficial than asking them to define their idea of scum hunting.

[Shoshin]

it isn't the same type of question though.

Why is your question "okay" but Bacy's "weird"? What's the intent behind your question? What were you hoping to learn?

my question is ok because I asked it.

but seriously. what is the point of asking him to explain how it is scum hunting especially when he sort of does already iirc. If he explains it, are you going to change your opinion? I don't think so.

bacy is questioning havo's attempt to try and get somebody to provide reads. Getting reads from people is much more beneficial than asking them to define their idea of scum hunting.

I didn't ask Garuga to define his idea of scumhunting, I asked him to identify where in three specific posts he saw evidence of scumhunting. I clearly have a reason for that, since I asked him more than once after Garuga sort of dodged it the first time. Maybe you don't understand why I'd ask, but that doesn't mean there isn't a reason. Why would you assume there's no reason to my question? How did you expect me to answer your question, yes or no? Either way, what were you hoping to learn there about my alignment? Your question truly seems pointless. Your question doesn't get at my alignment, nor Garuga's alignment, nor do anything except push me to stop trying to figure out Garuga's alignment.

Bacy's question attempts to understand the underlying purpose of Havo's question - and to be clear, Havo's question wasn't simply asking my reads, as those had already been provided - it was asking me to identify my strongest townread among three players I'd already called town. Bacy's question directly gets at Havo's alignment because there's both pro-scum and pro-town reasons for asking Havo's question.

[Shoshin]

Insight

What kind of insight? How would my answer affect your reads?

[bacy]

shoshin did provide reads though, three town reads. i don't know how sorting them helps him catch scum at this stage of the game, it mostly benefits scum
isn't a question like why is x town, why is y town....much more beneficial for town at this point than just sorting somebody's reads?

p-edit... yep. pretty much

[Gustavo]

I didn't ask Garuga to define his idea of scumhunting, I asked him to identify where in three specific posts he saw evidence of scumhunting.

That’s not how I interpreted it. That could very well have been your intention but the way you asked it to me looked like asking him to explain it. You should have probably been more specific in your question. My bad.

[Gustavo]

Bacy's question attempts to understand the underlying purpose of Havo's question - and to be clear, Havo's question wasn't simply asking my reads, as those had already been provided - it was asking me to identify my strongest townread among three players I'd already called town. Bacy's question directly gets at Havo's alignment because there's both pro-scum and pro-town reasons for asking Havo's question.

I should probably get back to reading cause I didn’t realize you had already given reads on those players. I assume you explained the reasons for those?

Anyways. Today is busy at work so I’ll try and read more tonight. I’ll be at a conference all day tomorrow

[JarJarDrinks]

Why? What is scum gonna do with that information?

It gives them a better idea about who they should bring to LYLO.

doesn't ANY read do this. Why is stating your top townread worse than your top 2 townreads? (which u gave)


also this may be semantic but the question wasn't asking you for your top topread. Just which of those 3 people you townread most.

[JarJarDrinks]

*for your top townread.

[Havo]

shoshin did provide reads though, three town reads. i don't know how sorting them helps him catch scum at this stage of the game, it mostly benefits scum
isn't a question like why is x town, why is y town....much more beneficial for town at this point than just sorting somebody's reads?

p-edit... yep. pretty much

The question is about Shoshin not about scum, unless of course Shoshin is scum.

[Havo]

Insight

What kind of insight? How would my answer affect your reads?

Because your answer helps me sort you. The question is about me sorting you without using my vote.

[bacy]

shoshin did provide reads though, three town reads. i don't know how sorting them helps him catch scum at this stage of the game, it mostly benefits scum
isn't a question like why is x town, why is y town....much more beneficial for town at this point than just sorting somebody's reads?

p-edit... yep. pretty much

The question is about Shoshin not about scum, unless of course Shoshin is scum.

can you explain this because i don't know what you mean?
that post was an answer to gustavo's 282

[bacy]

oh. (helps him catch scum..?) meaning if either they are scum or not i meant

[bacy]

Insight

What kind of insight? How would my answer affect your reads?

Because your answer helps me sort you. The question is about me sorting you without using my vote.

sort how? example1 she says joda is more towny, example2 she says i'm more towny. what would change, how would a certain answer help you sort her?

[Havo]

Insight

What kind of insight? How would my answer affect your reads?

Because your answer helps me sort you. The question is about me sorting you without using my vote.

sort how? example1 she says joda is more towny, example2 she says i'm more towny. what would change, how would a certain answer help you sort her?

I’ll explain to you how I play the game of mafia and develop town and scum reads if you want. Sure.

But it’ll have to wait til I’m on a laptop.

But the short answer is I read those slots quite differently atm and knowing how She reads them will help me decide if I want to hard town read her or not this early. Since I am already leaning town on her. I’m interested to see if she sees things the same way I do.

Now, why do you feel the need to hijack my line of questioning with her?

[JarJarDrinks]

I don't really get the issue here. Forcing people to take a stance and put their opinions out there is kinda what you do in mafia.

[Gustavo]

I don't really get the issue here. Forcing people to take a stance and put their opinions out there is kinda what you do in mafia.

agreed. It does strike me weird he is questioning somebody he town reads but it's not anything I haven't seen before.

[northsidegal]

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[northsidegal]

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