Mini 2006: Scummer in this game UPick GAME OVER

[Nahdia]

I guess. But, I think that philosophy is one he believes.

I can accept that. To me it just seems... too easy. Too much confidence on such simple, flimsy terms. I haven't played with the guy before so maybe this is just his style, but if one is really trying to solve a game, I feel like they go a bit more in depth or doesn't make such assertions, especially considering this is dealing with slots that have less content than others. Maybe this is a clash of playstyle? I don't see it as definitely scum or definitely town, but I feel it leans more towards the former, and I don't really have any big reasons to count him among town? He was really push on the Maria lynch and was also really harping on Momrangal being able to confirm the masons, which looks bad in retrospect to me. On that note, I really don't get why the scum team kills Momrangal and not, like, the actual masons? Afraid of protectives, perhaps?

I can name dozens of players that I can't D1 read for shit. When you start out onsite, almost every player will be near unreadable. But consider this scenario:

You're in a game, and Almost50 claims "northsidegal is definitely town this game". He has good reasons. You can't read Almost50 or northsidegal. But you notice that Almost50 has 90% accuracy at reading NSG when he's town.


This is a team game. Trust your fellow players' strengths. The most probable scenario is that Almost50, if he's town, is correct. This means either:
A. They are scum together.
B. Almost50 is scum who knows NSG is town.
C. Almost50 is town who is 95% likely to be right on NSG.

Can they be scum together? Remember, it's hard for scum to confidently defend their buddies; they know all their reasoning is wrong! Ask around, see if others can rule out A50/NSG.

...so you found A50/NSG isn't the scumteam? Great. You should be townreading her with 90% confidence.

Oh. Point. Guess I'll sleep on it.

[Cheetory6]

VOTECOUNT 2.03

Pine [1]

- NicoRobin

Lady LambdaDelta [2]

- MathDino, Not_Mafia

Nahdia [1]

- Pine

Not_Mafia [1]

- mastina

MathDino [1]

- OnTheMark

Not Voting [4]:

Lady LambdaDelta, Lovebird, MOMOMEN, Nahdia

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
You have (expired on 2018-06-04 11:00:00) to do so.

[OnTheMark]

Prod dodge

[Pine]

votecount

Lies.

[Lovebird]

Ping

[Pine]

This game is still a thing

[Eddie Cane]

this game will be later

[Pine]

doot

I have a catto running against my leg. Hello catto.

[OnTheMark]

Yeah I never got around to rereadinf mastina

Fucks given were zero. Was hoping to be able to read someone today

[MOMOMEN]

okay look

this is cheeky's town game

math is also moderately town

this is a

waste

of discussion, this slot is never an eligible lynch,

[MOMOMEN]

and following that,

stop

with the stupid mason spec. they've been obviously town since page fucking 5 and they fucking vigged scum. this is ridiculous at this point.

[MOMOMEN]

You realize pushing my mislynch confirms you both as scum right?

I also see that my mislynch needs to happen.

Once I flip town, Mastina and Nico die. They are scum that killed Momrangal to hide the fact they aren’t masons. I am the counter to Mastina/Nico so they need me gone to make their checks ninja.

VOTE: OTM

I have work. Give me 24 hours for a reads list before mislynching me

why do you people keep self voting

when has that EVER worked out for you

[MOMOMEN]

VOTE: OTM

I knew it, you killed her so she couldn't reveal us as real masons, allowing you to continue to shade us with impunity.

math's possible scum for a lot of reasons and this is not really one of them

wtf

[OnTheMark]

I already said I am forcing them to be town in all my reads and that I won’t be attacking them.

What more do you want?

[OnTheMark]

You realize pushing my mislynch confirms you both as scum right?

I also see that my mislynch needs to happen.

Once I flip town, Mastina and Nico die. They are scum that killed Momrangal to hide the fact they aren’t masons. I am the counter to Mastina/Nico so they need me gone to make their checks ninja.

VOTE: OTM

I have work. Give me 24 hours for a reads list before mislynching me

why do you people keep self voting

when has that EVER worked out for you

Every time I have done it which is very rare

[MOMOMEN]

i haven't got to that part yet, apologies

[MOMOMEN]

Christ. Can y'all stop being so overdramatic and rash? The day has barely begun, most people haven't checked in.

this lol

[MOMOMEN]

Christ. Can y'all stop being so overdramatic and rash? The day has barely begun, most people haven't checked in.

The reason I am dramatic is because you are bying into OTM's BS LIKE GULLIBLE IDIOTS, AND SHUT ME UP THE MOMENT I TRY TO FORCE HIS LYNCH BY FLIPPING MASON.

Comprende?

Has it occurred to you that you being a mason doesn't confirm anything about OTM's alignment?

also this

and the inverse of course

[MOMOMEN]

wait so you gave it to mastina last night then?

i feel slightly pocketed but people said alisae played obvtown so w/e

nobody said this

its not true either

[MOMOMEN]

Honestly, LLD's flip won't clear OTM, just make me trust her.

I'd much rather see Nahdia flip. I'm not comfortable with a slot that initiated a fake!Mason gambit.

I think Momomen might be the right choice though.

Thoughts, Dino?

MOMOMEN might siteflake so i guess we'll have to see

they're currently the only slot in this game that truly understands why i'm locktown so i'm pretty nervous to throw them out right now

or just the fact i've defended town and pushed scum all game? me townreading you shouldn't be the goddamn reason you don't want to lynch me

[MOMOMEN]

And let's lock up this argument right here.

Townbloc Pine, LLD, Mathdino, Mastina. OTM and Nico are Town too, but don't get a vote until they stop being dumbasses.

Lovebird may come too, I think.

2 days in a row with a shit townbloc

ty

[MOMOMEN]

Nahdia
MathDino
OnTheMark
Lovebird
Lady Lambdadelta
Pine
Not_Mafia
MOMOMEN

So assume OnTheMark, Pine, Nahdia, and Lovebird are spewed town. (In about that order of strength.)

You're left with:
MathDino
Lady Lambdadelta
Not_Mafia
MOMOMEN

...Two scum in this pool.

If I were asked to rate the confidence in scum being in there. It'd be about 57.5%.
Or rather, both scum.
One scum, good 90%, but we're talking, both remaining scum. That's 57.5%.

Still. I could use some crowdsource feedback on my process here.
NicoRobin and I are conftown by virtue of being masons and also shooting scum.

OnTheMark is more likely town through a combination of their role being Asceticizer when scum had an Ascetic and via play being more likely to be town.
Pine is more likely town through a combination of Kokichi Oma spewing the slot as town, role symmetry with Mathdino, and previously mentioned reasons I was townreading him which still hold: the Alisae play, the Alisae replace, Pine's play, their gamesolving, their thought process, and so on and so forth. (I've posted on this before.)
Nahdia is more likely town through a combination of Kokichi spewing the masonclaimers as town, Nahdia retracting the claim when doing so as scum then would be disadvantageous to scum, and general townplay from both beeboy and Nahdia.
Lovebird is more likely town through a combination of Kokichi spewing the masonclaimers as town, Lovebird's thought process bleeding town when the claim was retracted, and beeboy having a solid read there which is something which may be trustworthy especially from a Team Mafia mod. (Team Mafia mods are privy to some info from Ellibereth.)

That'd leave those four names, yes? Two of which would be scum, yes?

I guess I can lay down an initial vote now.
VOTE: Not_Mafia.
50% odds of being scum aren't the best, but they beat random odds.

...sigh

[MOMOMEN]

{cheeky, eddie, yume, mastina} are aligned with town

good start

Cheeky is blatantly town, and I caught them in what was probably their most proud scum game ever so )))) Mastina and Yume are day 1 mason claims and its ludicrous this many of you are retarded enough to try and lynch in claimed masons day 1. Even. If. They're. Scum. Bad. Play. Fucking shame.

I haven't seen Beeboy's scum game and this is way more effort than I'm used to, but it seems like /generally/ good stuff and I can call him town without hating myself atm.

That's about where my actual town reads end because yall are insisting on being gamethrowing scumfucks. Mom has some pings but overall he's a town lean for <redacted>. EDIT: and KTS outed we think they're a possible power role, so <unredacted>. Lovebird is in their town meta more than their scum one, I don't like their catchup but they're still likely town ig.

I can't really explain it but LLD seems extremely slightly town. Just their lack of control on the game. The way they handled me in TM was a bit different, I don't think scum LLD would be as controlling at this part of the game anyways but like I dunno if I have to waffle in a direction it's town. I would like to believe Maria can read someone she's played 50 games with to the point they won't 100% confidently say they're town if they're scum, so I guess I need to call Kokichi town despite what I'd like to. He has a godawful iso though to be fair he's at page 20 so that could be an explanation.

I don't have any outright scumreads at this point (inb4 its because the masons are 2 of the scum Kappa BibleThump). Maria is a little in their town meta, but it feels unnatural how they're treating our hydra now and they do weird ass ate shit as scum so iunno. Wis is just better than he's been here with his constant nonsensical pushes. Sudo's pushes on the hydras and that whole interaction is godawful, and they're both players with better scum games, though I did get a couple random town pings from their posts. I still don't remember any posts from Red.

To sum up,

{Eddie, Cheeky} - town
{Mastina, Yume} - mason claim grants immunity. still waiting on a thing. yume, i swear to god, if you're lying about being masons and do the thing i'm blacklisting you for real.
{Beeboy} - townie
{Mom, Lovebird} - townish
{LLD, Kokichi} - meh
{Maria, Wis, Sudo, Red} - scummish

This was written about 15-20 pages ago butu is still mostly recent. we need to establish what's happening with bee and love. 2 mason claims is possible (and hell we've seen neg util town) but it isnt if we ALSO have things like a lie detector and a day cop and whatever other fakeclaim bs is happening. i still don't have any strong scumreads.

wow, no scum in the top half of my reads

:thonkang:

scum bussing???\
this was a long time ago but is still mostly relevant. we could do otm. we could do pine. we could do lld i guess. any other lynch today is bad and not eddie cane approved

[MOMOMEN]

also

nahdia is an option if her play drops

but i did lean town on beebopalooza aside from mason shenanigans which i statedly never believed anyways

[Lady Lambdadelta]

{cheeky, eddie, yume, mastina} are aligned with town

good start

Cheeky is blatantly town, and I caught them in what was probably their most proud scum game ever so )))) Mastina and Yume are day 1 mason claims and its ludicrous this many of you are retarded enough to try and lynch in claimed masons day 1. Even. If. They're. Scum. Bad. Play. Fucking shame.

I haven't seen Beeboy's scum game and this is way more effort than I'm used to, but it seems like /generally/ good stuff and I can call him town without hating myself atm.

That's about where my actual town reads end because yall are insisting on being gamethrowing scumfucks. Mom has some pings but overall he's a town lean for <redacted>. EDIT: and KTS outed we think they're a possible power role, so <unredacted>. Lovebird is in their town meta more than their scum one, I don't like their catchup but they're still likely town ig.

I can't really explain it but LLD seems extremely slightly town. Just their lack of control on the game. The way they handled me in TM was a bit different, I don't think scum LLD would be as controlling at this part of the game anyways but like I dunno if I have to waffle in a direction it's town. I would like to believe Maria can read someone she's played 50 games with to the point they won't 100% confidently say they're town if they're scum, so I guess I need to call Kokichi town despite what I'd like to. He has a godawful iso though to be fair he's at page 20 so that could be an explanation.

I don't have any outright scumreads at this point (inb4 its because the masons are 2 of the scum Kappa BibleThump). Maria is a little in their town meta, but it feels unnatural how they're treating our hydra now and they do weird ass ate shit as scum so iunno. Wis is just better than he's been here with his constant nonsensical pushes. Sudo's pushes on the hydras and that whole interaction is godawful, and they're both players with better scum games, though I did get a couple random town pings from their posts. I still don't remember any posts from Red.

To sum up,

{Eddie, Cheeky} - town
{Mastina, Yume} - mason claim grants immunity. still waiting on a thing. yume, i swear to god, if you're lying about being masons and do the thing i'm blacklisting you for real.
{Beeboy} - townie
{Mom, Lovebird} - townish
{LLD, Kokichi} - meh
{Maria, Wis, Sudo, Red} - scummish

This was written about 15-20 pages ago butu is still mostly recent. we need to establish what's happening with bee and love. 2 mason claims is possible (and hell we've seen neg util town) but it isnt if we ALSO have things like a lie detector and a day cop and whatever other fakeclaim bs is happening. i still don't have any strong scumreads.

wow, no scum in the top half of my reads

:thonkang:

scum bussing???\
this was a long time ago but is still mostly relevant. we could do otm. we could do pine. we could do lld i guess. any other lynch today is bad and not eddie cane approved

Ok but OTM Pine and I are all town.

So let's play this game a bit: Those 3 lynches are off the table. Who are you wrong about that you won't lynch today?