Open 728: Sharing is Caring (GAME OVER)

[ruru]

I kinda feel like picking an rvs wagon that's predicted to be low info is a bit weird even if it's rvs

[Something_Smart]

Is there ever an RVS wagon that ISN'T low info?

[northsidegal]

VOTE: jjh

[pinturicchio]

Is there ever an RVS wagon that ISN'T low info?

You should change your name to "Quite_Smart"

[northsidegal]

but seriously, i think jjh is scum. given his reasoning for unvoting zoronos in 31 i don't even understand why he was voting him in the first place.

i don't get why he even brings up me being more interested in him than in my own wagon if he doesn't have any conclusion to draw from it. i don't see how it's "worth noting" in the first place, then?

i also think his vote on blackstar for blackstar voting zoronos is kind of an awkward white knight. sure, zoronos looks kind of towny here, but i'm not sure if these were entirely warranted:

VOTE: BlackStar

That's how you get to happen. He's been an extremely positive presence in getting out of RVS

Looks more legit to me than what you're saying

[northsidegal]

this is also worth noting - the vote on pintu was essentially RVS at a point where serious things were being discussed and

and

after he said that he prefers to break away from RVS sooner as a justification for his initial vote on zor.

I think the faster we break away from RVS, the better, and to do that generally involves making a mountain out of a molehill and then stripmining that mountain for its precious content

No idea what I'm making of it yet


VOTE: Pintu

Mr Blue Sky!

[pinturicchio]

No idea what I'm making of it yet


VOTE: Pintu

Mr Blue Sky!

Wait now that NSG quoted this I noticed I didn't reply you, hello!

Now I have that song stuck once more

[HitAlt]

So what are we sharing?
Or do we even care?
VOTE: pinturichhio

[HeWhoSwims]

Woo! Pretty excited for this one, curious how the setup is gonna play out. After today I should have lots of time so that's great. Gonna read the first 5 pages now. Good luck everyone!

[HitAlt]

I think "Cat-in-a-boot" and evil-duck are ok for now.
Normal duck and pinturrichio seem to have romantic history, and I'm intrigued..maybe one will betray the other..
Saturnus, Nsg and Zoro all try.
Where does that leave me? ~7town if one of the lovers is scum.

[HitAlt]

Grandpa above might be scum.

[HitAlt]

VOTE: HeWhoSwings

[the worst]

HitAlt can you talk me through 1+ of those reads?

[HeWhoSwims]

We're maybe not quite there yet.

Worth noting that NSG is more interested in me than her wagon?

This feels like you want attention to divert from you. Why? Discussion, of any kind, needs to get us out of RVS right?

VOTE: pinturicchio

Think that’s an attempt to drag us back to RVS in lieu of serious discussion / weighing in on thread topics, or just stale RVS?

Your vote cleart implies the former so maybe my question is self answering, ergo this is probably just a log of thoughts and observations.

I assume this is about Pintu's post? I would call it a jokey RVS vote, might be because the dude hadn't read up on the thread yet. I wouldn't call it wanting to stall discussion.

Can people stop shitpost-shaming please

I really want to shitpost but now I feel awkward about it

This is our first game together but I like you already shitpost freely now that it's still early I guess!

His posts are too long

We're not in RVS anymore...

It feels like he's trying too hard even though nothing has happened

That's how you get to happen. He's been an extremely positive presence in getting out of RVS

Agree here - Zoro has been very present and got us out of RVS which is a small plus for me

Soft agree with the notion that scum!ruru would/could benefit from not asking about shitposts but trying to blend into the thread. That could very well be town so...

Very soft and wobbly reads but if you'd ask me to pick out town at this point of my catchup ruru and Zoro are candidates.

pedit - I wish I could swing, HitAlt

[the worst]

HWS gonna be around for a bit?

[HeWhoSwims]

Are we talking setup?

Cop and vig act tonight, jailkeeper does not

Problem solved

Cop nullreads, Vig distractions, lynchbait and universal scumreads

This seems good to me.

Talk me through this: would it be worth to save a vig shot until N2? I'd think we all have more reads by then, stronger reads in either direction and less(?) nullreads, so a smaller vigpool and more info upon the flip? Vigilante only has to survive D1/N1 which shouldn't be too hard I'd think and even if vig somehow has to claim D1 they can be jailkept. Sorry if this is a bad idea, not sure if setup spec is my forte but I can give it a shot

Is there ever an RVS wagon that ISN'T low info?

Lol no... it's called RVS for a reason so I'm not sure I really see ruru's reasoning right there.

@ducky: I have an exam (my last, worry not!) for which I leave in ~4 hours.. I'll spend that time alternating between the study material and here no guarantees but I'll try to stay around in between stress-crying bouts.

[the worst]

Fwiw I like early vig shots, stops us from wasting lynches and more flips = more sm0rtness

[the worst]

I'll send stress-crying tissues and chocolates :'< good luck with your exam

Actually Math described optimal n1 vigs imo so anything I'll say will be a repeat. I also hate setup spec in opens so tend to leave it to cleverer folk.

What do you think of NSG/jjh and BlackStar?

[Mathdino]

tl;dr

cop and vig are much more +EV individually than jailkeeper, which fucks other PRs and can't get hard guilties

the main thing is making sure they get to use their shots and don't get fucked over by the mafia PRs

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we are not going to discuss the specifics of who to cop/vig, because that gives mafia PRs information

- as long as we set the general rule of vigging lynchbait/useless-people/universal-scumreads and copping anyone else who won't get NK'd, they should be able to avoid each other

- cops should claim guilties immediately. otherwise we're hypocopping innocents tomorrow

that's about it
the setup is good in that it actually heavily discourages night action plans
just don't be dumb

[HitAlt]

HitAlt can you talk me through 1+ of those reads?

Not yet.
Gonna see what happens first.
You can stir your soup too much, you know?

[HitAlt]

HWS gonna be around for a bit?

I am.
What you wanted from the Grandpa, you can likely get from me too.

[HeWhoSwims]

jjh I quoted with his attention diverting to NSG. Not sure if that's pro town at all. Re: his serious vote on Zoro I wouldn't be able to tag as either alignment - it's something I could see myself doing (and almost did) since Zoro's initial posts were a bit of ??? because there was a lot of content about like, 1.5 pages of game which could seem a little too eager/too quick to draw reads. Agree with NSG however that then voting BlackStar who votes Zoro is also ???. However I feel the scum motivation for doing that would be to sort of buddy up to Zoro... I really doubt jjh who seems to have been here for a decent amount of time, would blatantly do that.

Which brings me to NSG, as I said - what she points out is right, the voting for Blackstar is unwarranted but I don't see it as scummy. I also agree with what she points out in her next post but again that's almost too weird and obvious to be actual scum. I think scum!jjh would be better off waiting for an actual reason to vote someone else, or simply unvote off of Zoro.

Blackstar... no fan so far. He's only posted about Zoro so far who I'd be townreading. Voting there feels like an easy vote. Which again would make jjh voting Blackstar a bit townie motivated.

I try not to be dumb Math

What would you say the jailkeeper would ideally do? I'd agree cop/vig are more useful. JK I guess is good for a) protecting inno's or widely townread players or b) trying to block scumkill but that's hard. So nothing for tonight for sure.

[the worst]

Ducks don't eat soup
I inherently dislike this plan

But I will let you do you as long as you swear you'll actually talk about things later

[the worst]

@HWS I'm vibing your reads. I actually like NSG's case for town, just not sure she's got her guy yet.

VOTE: Blackstar

[the worst]

HWS gonna be around for a bit?

I am.
What you wanted from the Grandpa, you can likely get from me too.

What would you like to talk about?
I picked the grandpa because I liked his first catch up post and he was open about his reads. ATM there isn't much I wanna talk to you abt