math, i'm town this game, don't waste time thinking about it.In post 199, Mathdino wrote:Would NSG be aware that jjh has a reputation for being super obvtown as town? I, as scum in this playerlist, would absolutely not be trying to lynch jjh of all people.
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i think she's probably town as of now.I'm feeling mafia-lazy. Someone give me a read on ruru to sheep?
yeah but that's how you'd talk to me if you were scum
i don't think i've ever said that to you as scum (to anyone, perhaps?)In post 201, Mathdino wrote:yeah but that's how you'd talk to me if you were scum
so why waste your time saying NAI things
he's played another game recently, mini normal 2005In post 202, Mathdino wrote:zor feels solidly out of a "player returning from hiatus" scumrange
but i also have only skimmed his ISO because lordy i am not reading all of that
what are the cool wagons? can i chainsaw defend zor and/or ruru?
Oh wow, this feels extremely unlikely to be faked just now given that you started with the assumption that I thought you weren't reacting to the wagonIn post 197, Zoronos wrote:I wasn't trying harder because of the votes on me.In post 190, ruru wrote:
Do you think it's inaccurate that you were trying harder because of the votes on you?
I am definitely trying harder than normal.
There is a reason for that but I'm embarrassed to type it.
Spoiler: nobody but ruru read this
Also I feel my tone read on the_worst's scum claim joke was a legit place to start so I figured why not start there and go.
Oh sorry, I think I misunderstood you the first time.In post 191, Zoronos wrote:Fuck I said Maria when I meant NSG and those are entirely different players. I have no idea why I wrote that. Previous game playerlist sitting in my head still I guess.In post 188, pinturicchio wrote: Well there's a phrase I usually use in my life that seems to be good to use now: not because's she's being hypocritical means that she's wrong. I get your point, but jjh was inconsistent at that point, and along with two other things that could be taken as scummy, NSG case makes sense, and makes sense coming from town, hense the townread coming from me.
Now about the last thing you said, I'll assume Maria is NSG? Something_Smart already said what I believe: an RVS wagon gives no info, neither from the people voting, nor from the voted. What do you think could be a conclusion about an RVS wagon? Like, saying NSG ignored RVS votes on her is like saying my case on Mathdino having short arms could be a good point.
So, what part of JJH's posts were inconsistent? Do you think that both he and NSG were RVS voting, which leads to an inconsistency with his earlier statement on dislike of RVS? Help me see your understanding of the evidence.
This response is a bit short because I'm working on responding in greater depth to NSG's question to me above: Short version - I don't think it matters at all that NSG ignored the RVS votes. I think it's entirely NAI. That's why I didn't bother asking about it, I don't think there's value to be gleaned.
However, I want your interpretation of JJH's question about NSG's wagon. Do *you* think JJH was trying to redirect heat off himself with that question, or was innocently pondering a thread event? Because if the former, that's a good point of evidence in NSG's case on him. If the later, it's not.
but either way, about redirecting heat... I don't think that's a treat only scum has; town doesn't want to be the center of attention either. Town doesn't care that much maybe, but from my point of view, I try to analyze this things in a way like "is this relevant to my read on this player? If yes, why; if no, read something else". jjh's motivation is a no, first 'cause there's not enough evidence to think anything about that post, and second 'cause even if he was trying to derail attention, I wouldn't know how to read that. please tell me you have a 100% secret tell on pintu
I felt the question from ofrhz was heavily loaded. 'Why zoronos, defend your read?!?!', in essence. When he's let a variety of other naked votes pass by, he chooses that one to seek clarification. That he chooses to do so suggests, to me, there's meaning behind the specific action he's taking. From the seat of the person being asked about, both his question and JJH's defense feel deserving of similar attention. Ergo, I think people should be considering both if they're considering one. And if Pintu likes your case on JJH, I'd expect him to also be thinking about an ofrhz case. That he isn't does not give me warm fuzzy feelings.In post 195, northsidegal wrote:asking "why zoronos" is leagues different from what jjh did. it's an attempt to understand, not an attempt to defend you while attacking blackstar. i'm really not sure how you look at them as being comparable.In post 178, Zoronos wrote:Do you feel that falls into the same play pattern that jjh is being accused of, or is his question different? That is, do you feel ofrhz was asking a loaded question, or a non-loaded question?
As I kinda-self-answering-questioned at the time, I thought there might be a reason for your naked vote on Pintu, and figured that it was likely JJH was doing the same. Now, 194 belies that, so maybe I was putting people onto motivations that weren't in fact correct. I'll dig into that a bit when I get back. I'm more interested in seeing how Pintu is making his conclusions on the evidence, per se, since that's what will help me sort out Pintu.In post 196, northsidegal wrote: 41 is essentially RVS because jjh had no apparent serious reasoning for voting pintu and, as he has now confirmed, no non-stated reason for voting him. my vote was naked, but it wasn't RVS.
what i don't understand is his behavior after that.
i thought the scumminess of bringing up a talking point that might be taken as a scumtell for me but without actually having any sort of thoughts about it was obvious.
i think your first vote was better, honestly.