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[Lovebird]

If I went with gut on taly I'd have two scum

[Lovebird]

Idk. I guess I don't really disagree with many shots.

[Lovebird]

Maybe still davsto?

[Vaxkiller]

Hm. Probably gonna leave Lovebird for now. While multiball, so could be other scum, that's a hell of a risky shot to make imo.

I must say I've noticed a considerable pattern now of people suggesting those kinda strategies being scum so I'm just gonna

Shoot Austerity

Since the slot was pinging me a little anyway

Fucking awesome, 2 dead. Yeah I was wrong. Be careful for bussing. Davstos shot is a little weird cause Aust wasnt on his scum radar (on a quick iso)

I want to iso ppl still alive and get associations.

[Vaxkiller]

BTW holy fuck u guys were busy posting

[Gammagooey]

Okay, so I'm pretty sure I want Stefan & Dav dead, in that order.

Stefan's #953 looks like he's specifically softening the theta's shot on hebi to make him look better, and he was in his own category of Okayish on Stefan's early list which I think makes sense for stefan as a scumbuddy to put his partner, and stefan's reaction to theta today felt over the top. His posts I'm talking about are in the spoiler at the bottom of this post.

Dav mentioned that he wouldn't know who munitions scum was if he was a traitor which is true, but him being either a bulletproof traitor or a SK would make a lot of sense in regards to why he was so sure that Mom was playing like bulletproof scum as he joined the game - him being some sort of bulletproof scum would give him the idea that bulletproofs were more likely to be scum than other players, and if he's a bp traitor he might have thought that Mom was his counterpart on the other team, so someone safe to kill off and not risk hitting any of his partners. In case he's SK I'd prefer Stefan being shot first. (or I guess I'd be fine with Stefan in particular shooting Dav but with Stefan at least moderately scumreading me given his posts today and me wanting him dead I don't think he's going to be super inclined to take my advice)

Vax I've come around on his wanting hebi vehemently dead after her shot and saying love's shot would flip town being more likely to be town than scum and the mindset/spirit/whatever you want to call it behind his posts feeling town. Ausuka still felt towny on the reread, lovebird and the worst I didn't reread at all yet and I need some sleep and I'm not sure if I'm going to bother with it unless someone specifically wants my opinion on one of them.

Spoiler: Stefan's mentions of Theta d1

@Archwing about PRICKS (and sometimes WANKERS and PRANKERS)

Members:
Sando
Taly
hebichan
the worst
Iconeum
TheBrie
Chickadee
Wingedcatgirl
Theta Alpine

Sanda, Taly and the worst defintitly widly townread.
Looking good so far: Iconeum
Lite on content, so not sure, but don't have a bat feeling about them: TheBrie

Okaish: Theta Alpine

not townreads would be suprised if there is scum in there: Hebichan, Chickadee, Wingedcatgirl

(Don't know in which order I would put TheBrie and Theta Alpine)
That is what I get from PRICKS
I like the idea and the group mostly.

P-Edit: The reason for the killfail is at last stated here in tread a Bulletproof, the kill on Kokichi was definitly in order.

Here are the interactions with NM from the game:
This won't find traitors because they don't know who are allign with them:

Who is not scum with Not_Mafia:

The Worst (for 495) (The suprise that NM is in the game seemed real) (585) calling him trouble, 839 is making fun of him, 911 is weaker

Talys 594 also doesn't feel like scum-interaction with him, 851 is very clear he wants not mafia dead

Light_Ganskis 626 calls him out 747 reaction to his shoot, 769 has the heart vs headthing, 891 wants him dead shoots him at 907 (yeah I am an idiot for not checking who shoot NM first)

Moomrangel(weaker) confused random and not mafia

Theta had not_Mafia on her killlist in 789, calles in 800 not_Mafia the first she wants to shoot.

Vaxkiller: 837 has NM as has to die

Ausuka: 922 doesn't come from scum shortly before their partner flipps scum in this game

Who could be scum, with NM

:
The_Brie has a huge list in 835, doesn't meantion NM, 838 defends him indirectly

Chickadee: 846 sees him only as troll

and anyone not mentioned here because there aren't interaction.

<trimmed content>

Sando+ shoots Kokichi Oma+ (PRICK) (after that Mom claims)

Vaxkiller shoots snarky+ (BP confirmed scumtraitor Grits)

Ausuka shoots snarky+ (BP confirmed scumtraitor Grits)

Davsto shoots Mom (BP) (randomidget does try to do it also, Srceen out of shoot also)

Almost 50+ shoots Ooba+

Chickadee shoots Almost50+

Not_Mafia(scum)+ shoots Bins+

Hebichan+ shoots Creature+

Theta Alpine shoots Hebichan+ (to everyones suprise town)

Light_ganski shoots Not Mafia (scum Munitions Co. goon)

Nero Cain+ shoots Sandro+

the worst shoots Nero Cain+ (PRICK)

Austerity shoots randommidget (BP)

Townshooters still alive: Srceenplay, Lovebird, BPMolla, StefanB, Gammageoy, Momrangel, Chikadee, Theta Alpine, the worst
People who shoot scum: Vaxkiller, Ausuka, Light_Ganski
People who shot ?: Davsto, Austerity

I marked the PRICKshoots. If I have forgotten anythink please tell.

[StefanB]

Vaxkiller you are next in claiming.

[StefanB]

Stefan's #953 looks like he's specifically softening the theta's shot on hebi to make him look better, and he was in his own category of Okayish on Stefan's early list which I think makes sense for stefan as a scumbuddy to put his partner, and stefan's reaction to theta today felt over the top. His posts I'm talking about are in the spoiler at the bottom of this post.

Dav mentioned that he wouldn't know who munitions scum was if he was a traitor which is true, but him being either a bulletproof traitor or a SK would make a lot of sense in regards to why he was so sure that Mom was playing like bulletproof scum as he joined the game - him being some sort of bulletproof scum would give him the idea that bulletproofs were more likely to be scum than other players, and if he's a bp traitor he might have thought that Mom was his counterpart on the other team, so someone safe to kill off and not risk hitting any of his partners. In case he's SK I'd prefer Stefan being shot first. (or I guess I'd be fine with Stefan in particular shooting Dav but with Stefan at least moderately scumreading me given his posts today and me wanting him dead I don't think he's going to be super inclined to take my advice)

I agree I shouldn't have answered Archwings question and stayed sillent the whole time like you. Nope, yes I was not scumreading Theta that much. Yes was to freely with my townreads on the beginning of the game.
Btw did that one post make me scum of both groups, thats kind of funny, I just need The Worst to reveal that I am the person he thinks is the SK, and I haven been sorted in all 3 scumgroups.
I am asking people on input, what they think of Gamma, in this game.
I will reveal that he is one of the persons I am thinking of shooting. (I am in no way thinking about shooting Light, I townread the slot)

[light_ganski]

I'm V/LA til wednesday evening due to exams, I'll be able to check in but only briefly

[the worst]

Actually V/La for about 48 hours as well. sorry guys.

@mod[/b[

If you really want me dead pls post intent & a very good reason and we can chat when I'm back xx

[Vaxkiller]

I'll be around before the deadline, but the work for the holiday tomorrow is kick my ass. Boats are a hole in the water you throw money and time into. Ugh.

I'll try and catch up tomorrow if not Tuesday morning.

[Vaxkiller]

also im just an echo bay citizen, no bp or ntohin

[light_ganski]

So you feel that Theta didn't try to get one of her buddys in the last 4? Vaxkiller is on her killlist, davsto claimed BP which screams if scum than traitor.

Been thinking about this. Judging by where we were, I doubt theta expected to survive anywhere near endgame and expected us to be looking it her list knowing she was scum. So yes, unless dav is groupscum instead of traitor, I think it's probable she didn't put her buddies on the list, expecting that people would be using it to scum hunt.

And I still can't really see a reason to scum read gamma. Right now, I stand by my list

If I had to pick, think vax should die first

If you can point to a townie TRing someone for something like "they gave their townreads" then I'll admit I was wrong.

Missed this earlier, I was trying to make the point that she was townhunting (which was a part of my sando townread too, if you'll check the same post)

[light_ganski]

Who claims next? Should be stefan if he hasn't already

[StefanB]

I haven't normal citizen.

[StefanB]

the worst 2shot BP
Ausuka
Davsto 1 shot BP
Vaxkiller Citizen
Lovebird
StefanB Citizen
light_ganski
Gammagooey

I take the middle of the road-player Lovebird next.

[Ausuka]

Lovebird is easily townier than ganski and Gamma imo.

[StefanB]

That really depends for Gamma on the question what Thetas Plan was.

Light I strongly disagree.

[StefanB]

Which means that I think Light_Ganski is townier than Lovebird.

[Gammagooey]

That really depends for Gamma on the question what Thetas Plan was.

Can you rephrase this for me? I don't get what you're saying

[Davsto]

Davstos shot is a little weird cause Aust wasnt on his scum radar (on a quick iso)

I guess, but their flawed strategy and their insistence on it despite obvious holes being poked in it was off and something I had conflicted with them about. Couple that with people making big strategies generally flipping scum this game (Theta's death being the catalyst for me to really click on that) and the weird posts of theirs I commented on towards the top of the page I shot them (posts 1625 and 1626) and I don't think it was entirely unwarranted. I do see where you're coming from with it being a relatively unforeseeable shot by me compared to, say, me shooting Lovebird.

Dav mentioned that he wouldn't know who munitions scum was if he was a traitor which is true, but him being either a bulletproof traitor or a SK would make a lot of sense in regards to why he was so sure that Mom was playing like bulletproof scum as he joined the game - him being some sort of bulletproof scum would give him the idea that bulletproofs were more likely to be scum than other players, and if he's a bp traitor he might have thought that Mom was his counterpart on the other team

tl;dr I disagree. If I were BP traitor, the last thing I'd want is for a BP traitor to flip, because that could point towards me as a pattern since I'm BP. So even if I did think they were scum because of BP, I'd probably keep my distance. Additionally, SnarkySnowman (BP traitor for grits) flipped relatively early in my Mom read (after it had developed but a large proportion of me pushing was after that), so unless you thought I'd play thinking that there were 2 opposing traitors, this doesn't really fit your theory on me either since "my counterpart on the other team" was already dead for a large proportion of my Mom push.

the worst 2shot BP
Ausuka
Davsto 1 shot BP
Vaxkiller Citizen
Lovebird
StefanB Citizen
light_ganski
Gammagooey

I take the middle of the road-player Lovebird next.

Uh, is this meant to be a readslist? Is it from most scummy at the top to least scummy at the bottom or vice versa? Or is it just a random list? I'm confused.

[StefanB]

Nope, the order is copied from the mod. It is only a list of claims, and what is mysing.
We are massclaiming at the moment.
I mean that would be very weird, yes I mean I don't known would I would have made from the order of the list.

[Davsto]

Ah okay, it was a little confusing

[light_ganski]

Nope, the order is copied from the mod. It is only a list of claims, and what is mysing.
We are massclaiming at the moment.
I mean that would be very weird, yes I mean I don't known would I would have made from the order of the list.

Erm, I claimed as well. Citizen, post 1785

[StefanB]

That really depends for Gamma on the question what Thetas Plan was.

Can you rephrase this for me? I don't get what you're saying

The question if you are more likly scum than lovebirds deppends on the question, if Thetas plan was to get on scum into endgame by having them in the townlist or as you and Light pointed out, know he was out soon, and was working on the asumption that we would believe that her scumreads are town.