Open 728: Sharing is Caring (GAME OVER)

[the worst]

just to be a hypocrite I probably would've liked her Blackstar vote ~ 2-3 pages before

[the worst]

dat pagetop!

[Zoronos]

I hate meta, but I read an ISO of a scumgame he/she played recently.
I have a take on the current situation but maybe the time is not yet right to share that take.

[the worst]

I have about a 1% success rate with actually using meta. Just feelings.
Assume you're going to share at some point before EOD?

[Zoronos]

I don’t know yet. Probably not productive.
Hint: Think about ofhrz’s reaction state to the train, IMO.
I shouldn’t drink and mafia.

We’ll see where ofhrz decides to go with things when he/she/they/{pronoun} comes back.

[Zoronos]

JJH - what do you think of the dinosaur and or HitAlt?

[the worst]

Drinking and mafia is good! as long as you don't forget everything
ya I haven't asked yet


ofrhz what pronouns do you prefer?

[Zoronos]

I never forget stuff.
Real talk lazysaurus makes me sad because I was hoping to play with town super cool math dino because I played a game with him like two years ago and he got hard powerescumed by Thor then replaced out and I was sad because he was obvtown. We may need to lynch him.

I’m a little worried that NSG isn’t as rapid about prosecutin her scum case as in 2005 but maybe that’s because she’s setting a clever trap idk she mentioned that the other day, but the raw emotional intensity is missing so I’m concerned. Or maybe she’s just not sure yet but I have concerns.

Dave seems kinda like a jerk but that might be town full of himself, but frustration /anger is the easiest emotion to fake so it might be a scum front to avoid cooperating with town. Cooperation is towny imo.

[Zoronos]

Rapid -> rabid.

[ofrhz]

I’m here on mobile for a bit to talk while catching up

[ofrhz]

Did I just say mobile

I mean cellphone

[davesaz]

Since you asked me about my impression of other people's meta reads, let's go here:

i had my thoughts on mathdino typed up in the beginnings of a post going over all of my scumreads that i deleted, but basically he's in the lower tier for me right now mostly as a formality. he hasn't had much of a presence as of yet and i know that's more of a sitewide thing than a "this game" thing, but i still couldn't justify townreading him as of now.

His activity isn't really AI right? I feel like his scum meta that I've read previously was like all power wolfing

Also I mean we're not wagoning the dinosaur d1 right like who does that

Ruru said she feels like the numerosauros's scum meta is power wolfing.
Do you feel ruru is lying, misinformed, or otherwise how does that square with your impressions?

I see it as immaterial for two reasons.
Our history with Mathdino is disjoint, and with no games in common it's possible we're both right.
I'm making a statement about MD's town meta. When town he's pushy and controlling. If he's not doing that I think he's likely to be scum.
In that sense my read is not about matching scum meta, it's about not matching town meta. There is a difference.

[davesaz]

Dave seems kinda like a jerk but that might be town full of himself, but frustration /anger is the easiest emotion to fake so it might be a scum front to avoid cooperating with town. Cooperation is towny imo.

Umm, where'd you get that from?

[davesaz]

Ruru please explain your ofrhz vote.

It's likely on scum

That's nice, please explain the read.

Still expecting this explanation.

[Zoronos]

You are very confrontational and don't seem to give a shit about thread consensus. Which is maybe fine, game could use some shakeups.
You're all 'rawr I think ruru is scum for ~reasons~ even though everyone else seems sold on towniness'.
Like, of all the ofhrz votes, why ruru's to question? If I were scum hunting on that wagon, I'd likely poke mathdino.

Think there are multiple scum on the wagon? Because you're voting one person on the wagon (dino) and questioning a second.

[pinturicchio]

tbh I think I'm being dumb with ofrhz. tonally she seems similar to our last game, but there's something awkward there.

also wagon motivation checks out

This feels like distancing and bussing at the same time

[Zoronos]

I see it as immaterial for two reasons.
Our history with Mathdino is disjoint, and with no games in common it's possible we're both right.
I'm making a statement about MD's town meta. When town he's pushy and controlling. If he's not doing that I think he's likely to be scum.
In that sense my read is not about matching scum meta, it's about not matching town meta. There is a difference.

How can it be immaterial.
You're clearly saying he only has one town meta, and if he's not playing it, he must be scum.
Why is the converse not equally viable? He has one town meta but multiple scum metas? Or is ruru a dirty rotten liar?!?

[the worst]

I’m a little worried that NSG isn’t as rapid about prosecutin her scum case as in 2005 but maybe that’s because she’s setting a clever trap idk she mentioned that the other day, but the raw emotional intensity is missing so I’m concerned. Or maybe she’s just not sure yet but I have concerns.

I'm trying not to hold NSG to that metric here. post-2005 discussions, that was very much her trying a different playstyle to her usual one.
still townreading her.

[the worst]

tbh I think I'm being dumb with ofrhz. tonally she seems similar to our last game, but there's something awkward there.

also wagon motivation checks out

This feels like distancing and bussing at the same time

this feels like distancing and bussing at the same time

[the worst]

how so tho pintu?

[davesaz]

The Mathdino I know power towns.
Votes have multiple purposes.
Why categorize it as lazy? I see it as thought provoking.

Nah your read was lazy. It was like this weird "He fooled me and I'm wrong alot so AH HA!"
It takes only the input of posting activity, self-sabotages your credibility (I always read him wrong ergo...), then comes up with a scum read.
Like, I have non-zero MathDino suspicion right now, but your case was very meh.

You're confused about something.
Town Mathdino triggers my "scum leading town" tell. Now that I've picked up on that, if he were acting that way I'd think he is town.
There exist players you have to apply opposite logic to, he's one of them.

Talk to me about other reasons why MathDino might be scum.
Or if we're feeling spicy, talk to me about why TheWorst might be scum.

I'm not currently super sympathetic to a ruru-scum case though.

The other reasons will need to wait -- in fact there is still sorting to be done there. Votes have multiple uses. As far as I know he has not returned to this game despite being heavily active.
I don't currently think The Worst is likely to be scum.

Do you think refusing to give reasons for scumreads and votes is towny?

[pinturicchio]

Why do you townread him for that?

Because they're not concerned in the slightest about being voted to the point of being flippant about it, and they are actually trying to turn it around into something positive.

It's an argument that probably wouldn't occur to most people as scum.

playing devil's advocate here, I actually arrived at a net townlean on ofrhz as well
but I kinda feel like it's totally instinctual for scum to reactively townread people who suspect them? like say ruru is town and ofrhz is scum technically ruru would be correct...?

First you have a townlean on him.

that like.
ofrhz' posting doesn't seem AI
why exactly are people scumreading them

sorry if I wasn't explicit enough? I thought it was pretty clear

You say ofrhz posting is NAI and ask why people is scumreading him.

how confident are you in scum!ofrhz? I'm starting to feel like I might be being stupid.

Less than 40 posts later you say you feel you're being stupid about ofrhz.

HitAlt is pretty null for me. he doesn't really ~feel~ scummy but I'm also having some issues parsing the trajectory and reasoning behind his reads.

GTH ofrhz seems similar to open 721 here. in reality I should go reread some.

But then you say ofrhz seems similar to 721 where he was town mislynched on D1

VOTE: ofrhz
good thinkin tho!

And after aknowlegding that, you vote for him. Seems like you were trying to deviate attention from ofrhz, but when you saw that the wagon was starting to form firmly, you voted for him when confronted to do so.

[Zoronos]

The other reasons will need to wait -- in fact there is still sorting to be done there. Votes have multiple uses. As far as I know he has not returned to this game despite being heavily active.
I don't currently think The Worst is likely to be scum.

Do you think refusing to give reasons for scumreads and votes is towny?

But I'm impatient now.

I think it's poor play but NAI overall. Seem too many townies lolvote in my time to believe it's a scum indicator.
When I'm feeling super sure of myself sometimes I like to 'surprise gotcha switcheroo aha!' vote. But that was a long time ago when I was actually good.

[Zoronos]

You're confused about something.
Town Mathdino triggers my "scum leading town" tell. Now that I've picked up on that, if he were acting that way I'd think he is town.
There exist players you have to apply opposite logic to, he's one of them.

This makes no sense at all to me.
Can you restate your answer in the form of an actual answer.

Maybe I can restate my question in the form of a better question.

Ruru says that MathDino's scum MO is power wolfing aka scum leading town. You're saying MathDino's town meta feels like scum leading town to you, except it's town leading town.
If both of those things were true, he'd always be town mayoring. Except he's not town mayoring here, so one of those things must be false. Or he somehow has a third meta~
Can you explain to me how both of those things can be true simultaneously and still fit your conclusion?

[davesaz]

You are very confrontational and don't seem to give a shit about thread consensus. Which is maybe fine, game could use some shakeups.
You're all 'rawr I think ruru is scum for ~reasons~ even though everyone else seems sold on towniness'.
Like, of all the ofhrz votes, why ruru's to question? If I were scum hunting on that wagon, I'd likely poke mathdino.

Think there are multiple scum on the wagon? Because you're voting one person on the wagon (dino) and questioning a second.

Maybe that's exactly why I'm asking these questions. I don't see it as confrontational though. I don't think I've even been impolite.

I looked at Mathdino in ISO, was surprised by what I saw, and voted there to stir the coals a bit. It's not prompted by the ofhrz vote at all, it's prompted by his overall content. Didn't expect that to evoke a strong reaction from anyone, and instead two 3rd parties decided it was necessary to jump in.

The question to ruru is a very simple one. It was a naked vote, and I'd like to have some explanation. I usually ask for explanations of naked votes. When I ask for explanations and the response is diversionary, it's a huge red flag.