Open 728: Sharing is Caring (GAME OVER)

[Zoronos]

This is great

You were the first duck, ergo you are duck-prime. JJH is the second duck, ergo he is duck-sub-one. Further ducks will be numbered accordingly.

[jjh927]

I should always be the final duck tbh because I am the end

[northsidegal]

I should always be the final duck tbh because I am the end

why do you townread ofrhz?

[jjh927]

Iso them. They're doing a lot of engaging with other people, and I think it comes from a town mindset here. It's not mudslinging or stirring shit, just good questions

Also wagon was bad

[ruru]

Also wagon was bad

Howso

[the worst]

GOD EMPEROR JJH IS THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA

ofrhz was the second duck

@mod

--might have very limited access for ~48 hours sorry. I'll mark V/LA on profile etc. in a moment.

[BlackStar]

Iso them. They're doing a lot of engaging with other people, and I think it comes from a town mindset here. It's not mudslinging or stirring shit, just good questions

Also wagon was bad

Quote some of these good questions

[jjh927]

Also wagon was bad

Howso

Blackstar is dodgy in general. TW on that wagon specifically is bad and I don't like his progression.

Iso them. They're doing a lot of engaging with other people, and I think it comes from a town mindset here. It's not mudslinging or stirring shit, just good questions

Also wagon was bad

Quote some of these good questions

Spoiler:

Hitalt, pint and something smart seem town to me. I'm not sure about anyone else yet

Could you go into these a little bit more

First order of business:

Blackstar voters, justify yourself.

His classification of things as genuine or not genuine feels arbitrary and made up

finding a reason to scumread me in how I caught up in a large burst of activity but not considering the more likely alternative which is that I had a large chunk of time to sit down and play the game but have been busy otherwise

But probably by far the largest reason is that I have a hard time believing that someone read my scum game in Newbie 1865 like he claimed (my only finished scumgame on-site) and came to the conclusion that I could be scum this game. I kinda think the differences in my gameplay have already been night and day

I'm feeling pretty good about blackstar being town here. <snip>

and, reading the thread myself, i can

see

where his thought is coming from.

Could you explain which of his thoughts make sense to you? I’m guessing you’re not talking about his initial gut read of Zoronos since you had Zoronos as a townlean early

ofrhz sure sounds a lot like ofrhz

And

actually not sure why this wagon is happening, can someone give me a hand?

Seems either like a scum with TMI-knowing it's a mislynch, or scum softly trying to steer the wagon.
Scummy posts anyway.

I have no reason to reverse my scumread on the duck.
I'd argue we can see scum!Zoro more easily after duck really flips scum.
Pintu legit feels like town.
One scum in ruru/orcfz is probable.
Blackstra is likely town, and the ones who have poked/voted there so far likely have scum in them, looking for a potential mislynch.

This caught my eye b/c you've locked onto the worst here, and I don't quite follow

Pintu in 386 also said I am playing a similar game to one of my town games, which is kinda similar to tw's 254. Could you explain how pintu has towntold?

HWS recently questioned why I'm being wagoned. What do you think of that?

[BlackStar]

I'd only consider that last question to be good. The rest of it is just general stuff. Also, what does TW mean?

[jjh927]

the worst

[BlackStar]

What do you find dodgy about me?

[jjh927]

Hasn't really changed since I last voted you tbh

Maybe we just have different thought processes or maybe yours is artificial

[BlackStar]

[HitAlt]

scuse fucking you?

the fuck are you basing this on? I'm suddenly thinking you have no idea what I'm like as a player, and your BoP bullshit is raising more red flags than anything.

This feels like faked aggression.
I have a very good assessment of you as a player, and I happen to know that you enjoy playing town way more than you enjoy playing scum.
I also know that while you are a good guy and like to "shitpost" for fun, you are very sharp and want to move the game forward all the time.
So what am I basing this scumread on?

VOTE: ofrhz
good thinkin tho!

Voted for ofrhz in post 455.
By the time of this post, there have only been surface-level questions posed, and no votes or ACTUAL pushing has been made.
Now, I know people play D1's very differently overall, and you are definitely not the laziest scumhunter D1 I've seen (even in this game).

But try to tell me this has been your normal D1 so far, and I'll call you a liar and make sure you get lynched before D3.

[HitAlt]

What's your Zoro-Duck link exactly?

It's there.
Theoretical scum!Zoro is working very hard to keep up appearances, and definitely doing good work at it.
But I feel like there's an underlying agenda there.
Looking to "dissolve cases" on some players, while very carefully shading others.
There might not be one single post that explains it to the point, but something like (from Zoro to worst)

So you think both of HitAlt's reads are bad then I presume (unless you'd like to claim scum).
Legit but inaccurate, or evil scum trying for mislynches?

Includes a pointless question, but gives the impression that they are having a legit discussion without TMI or other means of communication.
Then there's a post that "foreshadows" a push towards me in

Which now that I look back, was also a response to a thought from HitAlt...
I'm not sure if that's meaningful, but I was trying to untangle the wagon on the_worst earlier to decide if it was righteous or not, and HitAlt was part of that system as well.
Maybe coincidence.

Notice the tone here.
Yet again, the first impression is that Zoro is trying to sort, but in truth, all they say here is that they found "another link"(??) of me..doing something apparently bad. Or something. Not even entirely sure what that post means, but it gives off the vibe that I am more scummy than not.
Then there's this:

My current head scratch is the wagon on the_worst. Something about it feels off, but I'm frankly not sure what or even where to begin picking it apart.

It's only hard to pick it apart because he knows there are only town in the wagon, and the worst is his scumbuddy. #worriedcitizenact

HitAlt hadn't really conversed with the_worst much about AI things (that I picked up on) prior to the vote, so it looked a bit like the read came from nowhere. He explained later, but I'm not totally sure I buy it.

What is there to buy?
My reasonings to vote a player I have a very good meta- and tone-read on?
You don't need to buy it, but do you REALLY think my read and push come from a scum-agenda?
That is the only thing you need to actually worry about if you are an uninformed townie.

[HitAlt]

Then we got another post from Zoro AFTER my 424 that fits the bill.

Not only HitAlt; my phrasing is imperfect but

I meant to include the_worst in my vague suspicion

.

They likely really noticed the wagon was actually very small, and they had primarily took the stance that there's scum in HitAlt/Blackstar. Forgot to susp. the correct player there. The one that's actually wagoned.

I don’t suspect BlackStar, his part in the dance seems towny, but

something in the way the_worst and HitAlt have interacted bugs me and I can’t put my finger on precisely what or why.

Hint: there are four possibilities here, and if you think one of us is scum, only three then.
1.

Scum!TW

is trying to shade and discredit town!HitAlt for nailing them.
2.

Scum!HitAlt

is trying to push town!TW very transparently and pig-headedly because ???.
3.

Scum!TW

and

scum!HitAlt

are pulling off a form of scumtheater so overboard, that it will likely end with either or both of them dead/under heavy suspicion before D3. (good job us)
(4. Town!HitAlt is tunneling Town!TW because of ???-reads that are inaccurate, and TW fails to make HitAlt see the light.)

Understand that I'm not saying it's impossible for me to be wrong on TW, but I feel very confident.
If we are both town here, I'll be happy to raise a hand at the end of the game and say "my bad".
Won't say anything more than that though.

The wagon only ever got to two votes, it felt bigger to me I think

because of the flurry of posting it created

but when I checked the VC it was only HitAlt and BlackStar. And BlackStar wandered off it pretty fast

Huh, one might think me pushing TW has helped town at least in the sense that it created conversation? Scum!HitAlt is kicking himself in the shins, I can tell you that.

[HitAlt]

I want Duck lynched today, and if they flip scum, I want Zoro copped.
If I'm wrong about the Duck, I'm absolutely open to being copped, so that there's no need to swim in paranoia D2 because of my slot.
But feel free to disagree with everything I said, it's the whole reason I created this alt.

Also, a one-off note about the game so far:

once MathDino got to posting, the game got even more interesting.

[Mathdino]

I literally just opened the thread to talk about how TW is a good pick for scum
The indignation rubbed me the wrong way
I didn't mention it initially because he's done that shit to me as town in 721 so it'd be nice if people could compare

Hey Hitalt
Pls no copping Hitalt or talking about who to cop, remember scum has a framer guys
We don't want to play a WIFOM game, just cop whoever

[ruru]

I want Duck lynched today, and if they flip scum, I want Zoro copped.

Discussion over which cop checks are better benefits scum

I would be more weirded out by 455 but this happened last time I played with tw and skitter and I kinda both thought he could be bussing there, but he (and the dinosaur) were actually just town

[Mathdino]

455 is super NAI from him

The issue is his reaction to getting voted

[HitAlt]

Hey Hitalt
Pls no copping Hitalt or talking about who to cop, remember scum has a framer guys
We don't want to play a WIFOM game, just cop whoever

Sorry guys, I legit didn't realize this.

[ruru]

Yeah, tw could be scum but like mostly by PoE

He feels like himself but his actions/timing are like contextually less town than they felt in 721 to me, but he doesn't feel different enough for me to sr him I guess?

Also I feel his being-bored-with-the-gamestate thing too and I'm town, so there's that

so like overall null?

I don't know if that even makes sense, maybe I just wrote a scumcase

I still prefer the lynchpool I mentioned though

Also are you talking about 521? Because like HitAlt voted a long time ago, I'm guessing it was more a reaction to him not liking the logic than just to being scumread

@HitAlt

One scum in ruru/orcfz is probable.

What about us anti-indicates t/t to you? Are you scumreading me independently?

[Mathdino]

Mfw you jackasses get bored just as I get interested in the game

Hitalt just spewed town ftr

[BlackStar]

VC

[Zoronos]

Mfw you jackasses get bored just as I get interested in the game

Hitalt just spewed town ftr

Hard disagree. Explain.