In post 488, Jodaxq wrote:
I don't really know what I think about this vote. Not necessarily the person you voted for, but the fact that you naked voted to start day 2. You were pretty verbose on day one with no reservations about explaining your thought process. Why a naked vote? Why not give an explanation here?
I wanted to give others a chance to think about Invisibility's alignment without my influencing - plus I had already explained my suspicion on D1.
In post 490, Jodaxq wrote: In post 430, Shoshin wrote:
Besides the points I raised on D1, his continued push on Garuga in the latter part of D1 felt very mechanical (as town, I think his read would have shifted more fluidly), and his refusal to hammer Rampage while doing nothing to prevent the mislynch suggests Invisibility knew Rampage would flip town but had no desire to save his life.
Isn't this what you were accusing JJD of on day 1? That he interpreted your actions in the worst light without understanding your thinking?
You're right that I accused JJD of interpreting my actions in the worst light without trying to understand where I was coming from. But you're wrong that 430 expresses a similar accusation and I'm unsure how you came to that conclusion.
In post 491, Jodaxq wrote:
I disagree that they speak for themselves in this regard and it really makes your previous explanation seem forced
What do you mean by "seem forced"? Do you disagree that Invisibility's play at the end of D1 felt mechanical? If so, why? What are you getting from his posts?
In post 492, Jodaxq wrote: In post 442, Shoshin wrote:VOTE: Mumble
From the way he's playing, he's clearly implied that Invisibility is town in a way that suggests he's pre-inclined to do so (either because Invisibility is his partner, or because he knows Invisibility is town). He read Garuga as scum, he read me as scum, and he jumped on the Rampage lynch when it was popular to do so. In other words, he's voting townies. And he's obscured his alignment by keeping his thoughts to himself, and when pushed to offer some thoughts, he's refused. He'd rather vote me to answer his questions than actually say who he thinks is scum, or vote whoever he thinks is scum. Also, note how he's still voting with support in HF - never making decisions without someone else pursuing the same things. It's time for him to offer some thoughts on the game that don't consist of pointless questions or voting popular wagons or voting without any semblance of a scumhunting mindset. Also, consider how terrible his vote on me is - voting because he doesn't want to offer his own thoughts about the game before I answer more of his questions, as if somehow I'm scum because I want to know his thoughts on the game uninfluenced by my answers).
This is what I mean. Your explanations are really inconsistent. You naked vote Invisibility, refuse an explanation, and then provide this explanation and vote all in the same page.
Then, you ask someone who you supposedly scum read to vote with you for who you believe to also be scum. I'm just confused at your progression at this point.
I didn't "refuse an explanation." To the contrary, I explained my vote on Invisibility when questioned.
What's your confusion?
In post 493, Jodaxq wrote:
These thoughts oppose each other. Invisibility's scum read is bad because he has a different scum read, but it's okay for you to have multiple scum reads?
I never said "Invisibility's scum read is bad because he has a different scum read." My question had to do with Invisibility's earlier claim that "Shoshin vs JJD is not SvS," something that Texcat also picked up on.
In post 495, Jodaxq wrote: In post 455, Shoshin wrote:I'm voting Mumble for a few reasons. First, Mumble says he never implied that Invisibility is town, even though he's been defending Invisibility (and thus implying Invisibility is town) on both D1 and D2 - and that's scummy because he's acting in a way that shows he's pre-inclined to read Invisibility as town while refusing to actually commit to a position. Second, Mumble's done very little other than vote townies (me, Garuga, and Rampage) when it was popular (read: opportunistic) to do so. And third, Mumble's unnaturally defensive in a way that betrays a scum perspective.
For those of you who aren't seeing what I'm talking about, here's a post-by-post breakdown:
I think you're trying to put a lot more implication in some of these posts than there is. A lot of that looks like standard questioning from Mumble. Once again I feel like you're doing some the things that you yourself claimed were scummy on D1.
Do you disagree with the points I'm making on Mumble? Where exactly do you see me putting more implication than there is? How am I doing the same things that I said were scummy on D1?
