Mini Normal 2012: Tropical Mafia [Endgame]

[Shoshin]

Nobody is explaining why this isn't alignment indicative... saying it's not doesn't help me...

I’d suggest playing some newbie games to learn the ins and outs of mafia.

To quote a fairly famous quote.

“To err is human”

That doesn't answer my question.

[Gustavo]

If that doesn’t answer it nobody can.

[JarJarDrinks]

Nobody is explaining why this isn't alignment indicative... saying it's not doesn't help me...

I’d suggest playing some newbie games to learn the ins and outs of mafia.

To quote a fairly famous quote.

“To err is human”

That doesn't answer my question.

how about answering mine?

[Gustavo]

What is your definition of alignment indicative and go from there.

[Shoshin]

To quote a fairly famous quote.

“To err is human”

That doesn't mean all mistakes are the same. If they were, how could you scumhunt? The ultimate defense anytime someone suspects you: "oh sorry, it was a mistake, not indicative of alignment."

The reality is this: Scum make unconscious mistakes that reveal their cognitive biases. Town also make unconscious mistakes that reveal their cognitive biases. The difference lies in the type of cognitive bias revealed by the mistake.

[Shoshin]

@shoshin who else u wanna lynch?

I want to lynch Mumble. If Mumble's not an option, I'm willing to compromise on Invisibility or you.

[JarJarDrinks]

What's ur opinions on BBT?

Also got any town reads?

[Gustavo]

You have to look at the intent behind it. What’s scummy about misreading something, realizing it, then moving on?

I do that every time I make a mistake. I do it irl. I do it when I’m town and I do it as scum.

When I’m scum I dig deep and keep pushing the mistake even when everyone is telling me I’m wrong. I play stupid and keep pushing it.

[Shoshin]

What's ur opinions on BBT?

Also got any town reads?

BBT is town. Yes, I have town reads.

[Gustavo]

What is your definition of alignment indicative and go from there.

[Shoshin]

You have to look at the intent behind it. What’s scummy about misreading something, realizing it, then moving on?

I'm looking at the "intent behind it," you're not. You're looking at what happened after the mistake. I'm talking about why the mistake happened in the first place.

To answer your question about what's alignment indicative, this is how I think about the game: town and scum are different by nature; town are uninformed, mafia are informed; town are looking for the scum to lynch them, the mafia know that the town are looking for the scum to lynch them and are trying to avoid getting caught. Any behavior that reveals this difference in perspective is alignment indicative.

Mumble's mistake is alignment indicative because it reveals an unconscious belief that Garuga was looking to lynch Mumble, and that belief makes sense only from a scum perspective in which Mumble knew that a townie (Garuga) was looking to lynch scum (Mumble).

[Invisibility]

i feel like this discussion is going nowhere

[Gustavo]

yeah you are either delusional or scum

[Shoshin]

I'd also compromise on Gustavo at this point. There's at least one scum in this group ganging up on me.

[havingfitz]

Gustavo - town.

Explain this please. I’ve been really busy irl and haven’t posted as much as I could so I’m kind of skeptical why anyone would town read me. Don’t get me wrong, I definitely appreciate it just don’t understand it.

You haven't posted anything to make me think otherwise. And a congruence of thought for the most part.

[Gustavo]

I'd also compromise on Gustavo at this point. There's at least one scum in this group ganging up on me.

Anytime you want to put your money where your mouth is, I’ll be here.

[texcat]

Catching up and trying to recover from the long weekend....

[Shoshin]

I'd also compromise on Gustavo at this point. There's at least one scum in this group ganging up on me.

Anytime you want to put your money where your mouth is, I’ll be here.

Do you understand the meaning of the word "compromise"?

[Gustavo]

Yes I do

[JarJarDrinks]

Yes I do

Use it in a sentence.

[Gustavo]

If shoshin was town he would compromise on his stance that misreading is AI

[texcat]

When I first read Shoshin's 455, the case on Mumble, I thought it made some sense. But it seems to make more sense to me if Invisibility and Mumble are both scum and trying to protect each other while still leaving the possibility open for bussing later on.

I understand Shoshin's thinking that scum have more reason to be paranoid than town, but everyone is paranoid to some degree when playing this hame.

[texcat]

This game*

[Havo]

Invisibility, join me on Mumble!

you were literally voting me a few posts ago what

While pushing Fitz as scum.

I really dislike this, I push people all the time while voting someone else. And I hate when people tell me how to use my vote. Just because I'm voting someone doesn't even mean I think they're scum, it's usually to see their reaction to being voted. It helps me read them, and there's a lot of times I'll think someone else is scummier but I want to get the reaction from my vote before I move it.

And I'm not saying this is what Shoshin was doing, but I can see myself doing it pretty easy. I just don't like the push from Mumble.

You don't ever like anything that I do in any game whatsoever.

What you are saying is you don't like what I was pushing because you act a certain way, but Shoshin may or may not act that way meaning what I pushed could be valid, but you still don't like it because of the way you play. Yeah...ok.

It's bad that he was pushing Invis/Me/Fitz and then immediately asking Invis to get on my wagon.

Lighten up fuzzball.

I like it when you play. When you actually play. Like you’re doing now.

I understand your above retort, but I still don’t like it.

[northsidegal]

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