Open 728: Sharing is Caring (GAME OVER)

[BlackStar]

How am I playing the game right now? I've been completely unmotivated since yesterday

[the worst]

I am more comfortable rn that you are playing the game
in a general sense
d1 is boring, I rarely hold inconsistent enthusiasm against ppl (let he who is guilty blah blah)

[Mathdino]

Math: Here, I wrote this earlier tonight but decided to hold off on posting it. It's a couple hours out of date, I haven't updated it for the last page or so of posts.

Input?

Spoiler: last vc colorized

state of my thoughts with some mild coloring applied. (I realize the green makes it hard to read the names, that's kind of intentional. I wanted them filtered out)

ofrhz

(4):

northsidegal

,

BlackStar

, the worst,

HeWhoSwims

,
the worst (3):

HitAlt

, jjh927,

ofrhz

,
jjh927 (1): Mathdino,
Mathdino (1):

pinturicchio

,

ruru

(1): davesaz,
Something_Smart (1):

ruru

,

Not Voting: Something_Smart,

Zoronos

,

If I'm putting something_smart aside, that means it's 3/4 scum in MathDino, JJH, the_worst, and davesaz.
If the worst is town, that means jjh is probably scum on the wagon, and daze is scum off the wagon, and I'm wrong about something_smart (I don't think there's a solid scum-dino -> town-Duck associative right now)
If the worst is scum, that probably still puts davesaz as scum off the wagon, and makes me think my HWS town-lean is wrong because he +1'ed HitAlt's stupid Zoronos+TW associative, possibly intending to use it if his partner got flipped while voting the counterwagon.

So, the big question atm is whether it's correct or not to put something_smart aside, and to fix the ??'s in my sort on JJH and davesaz.

I don't understand the strength of your townread on pinturicchio.

I think you're stretching a bit for D1 into a position where you're basically going to HAVE to reevaluate a lot of your reads when one flip turns your POV upside down. Your game, your playstyle though.

That definitely puts some things in perspective though. The VC isn't inconsistent with scum in {jjh, the worst, ofrhz}.

S_S doesn't seem to have done much readable yet.

[Something_Smart]

I'm around as well if anyone wants to play tic tac toe or smthn

Want to talk a bit about BlackStar? How do you feel regarding him at the moment?

I actually like him. I thought he was kinda floating by earlier in the phase but much more comfortable he's actually playing the game rn

Leaning town basically.


Where are u at with Bstar?

I really don't know, because he doesn't feel particularly real but I don't know if that's just how he plays.

It sounds like your read is based primarily on effort though which is worrying. Is there anything specific that you'd call "playing the game" that's more likely to come from town than from scum?

[the worst]

What did you make of the S_S/NSG dialogue math?


pedit: his thought process checks out to me off the top of my head. I don't want to lynch him d1

[Something_Smart]

his thought process checks out to me off the top of my head.

Is this something you know him to be incapable of faking as scum?

Because in my experience scum usually have not had trouble making thought processes that make sense if you don't think about them that hard.

[Mathdino]

holy balls i was just ISOing the two of them

i was just about to say that it's not at all unlikely that there's also scum in {S_S, NSG}
if i were confident on that i'd be voting there since a coin flip is always super high EV
buuuut i'm not confident on that

my main problem with S_S is that it seems unfounded to get up in arms with a player clearly working off a lot of PoE
scumreading him just because he hasn't posted anything townish

it seems like a lot of his reads are uncharacteristically based around interaction with his slot

and i'm not really getting the town S_S vibes i was getting the last couple times i played with him

he tends to hipfire more than he has here
my understanding is that he's intentionally delivering less (so people don't call him out for switching his reads a lot)
buuuut that's not exactly a townish way to change your playstyle

[BlackStar]

If there's something I've said that you need clarification on then just ask me

[the worst]

his thought process checks out to me off the top of my head.

Is this something you know him to be incapable of faking as scum?

Because in my experience scum usually have not had trouble making thought processes that make sense if you don't think about them that hard.

why the nitpick bro?

[northsidegal]

meh, thinking that ofrhz might be town.

VOTE: jjh

[Zoronos]

I don't understand the strength of your townread on pinturicchio.

I think you're stretching a bit for D1 into a position where you're basically going to HAVE to reevaluate a lot of your reads when one flip turns your POV upside down. Your game, your playstyle though.

That definitely puts some things in perspective though. The VC isn't inconsistent with scum in {jjh, the worst, ofrhz}.

S_S doesn't seem to have done much readable yet.

I agree with basically all of those things.
Also, that's why I added the note about putting S_S aside. When I wrote that a few hours ago, he hadn't done enough in my eyes to be alignment indicating one way or another.

I have some pending questions to JJH and Daveasz, and the answers might lead to a re-eval of everything. But that's fine, I'd rather have new data show my thoughts are wrong and re-think then retrench a bad position.
I am not super on-board with an ofrhz scum read atm, so if I have to vote in that 1v1 I'm liable to vote the_worst, but I'd prefer to find something I am enthusiastic about.

[Something_Smart]

why the nitpick bro?

How's it a nitpick? A valid reason why someone is towny has to explain why the action is more likely to come from town than from scum. If you haven't done that you haven't given a reason at all.

[the worst]

I'm satisfied enough that his logic comes from town that I don't want to lynch him day 1. I am not locktownreading him as that would be stupid as shit. I'm happy not pushing for his lynch, and letting him do his thing, and I'm p satisfied if he is easily capable of faking this as scum it'll be easier for me to sort him decisively after some flips anyway.

[Something_Smart]

Also Math I'm not intentionally lowering my content level. It's summer and I have a job and I'm busier than during the rest of the year. And I was away last weekend and will be again this weekend but I'll get in what I can during the week.

[Mathdino]

I've avoided checking out ofrhz too much given that I've mislynched him before.

On the other hand the fact that he literally has no scum meta means we're still vulnerable to getting snowed by someone who we don't have a scum-profile on.

He was previously mislynched for not playing like his town self. and for claiming scum lol
I guess I'm not sure at this point what a GOOD reason for scumreading ofrhz would look like.

So let's start here:
Why are people townreading him?

[ruru]

My other scumread is pintu

I'm curious about this

[Mathdino]

Also Math I'm not intentionally lowering my content level. It's summer and I have a job and I'm busier than during the rest of the year. And I was away last weekend and will be again this weekend but I'll get in what I can during the week.

I understand. I've also been busier than usual. I'm not referring to your post count, I'm referring to your content per post ratio, if that makes sense.

Also there's a reason that I'm hesitant to share scumreads early. I use phrasing like "slightest of scumreads" for a reason, and then people completely ignore it and get confused about why my reads are changing so easily.

I interpreted this to mean that you're intentionally withholding some of your content.

I got to a pretty good place reading S_S last time by doing a meta checkup. Will probably do that again here at some point.

For anyone interested, check his post history for Three In One, the micro game. He was town twice in a row.

[Something_Smart]

So let's start here:
Why are people townreading him?

232

[Zoronos]

Oh, sorry Math, I wrote a bunch of stuff on Pinturicchio earlier this game, and I haven't found good cause to go back and change my mind.

193 was my thought process while I was pursuiing Pintu, and 354 was my conclusions.
The short version was that I didn't agree with his predicates (and he with mine) but I couldn't necessarily find fault with the reasoning he made from the predicates he was using, he struck me as both reasonable and focused on cooperating (rather than destructive discussion).
My gut reaction to the discussion was that he felt like a towny with a difference of opinion on how to proceed from the evidence rather than agenda motivated. I'm not super enthused that one of my town reads isn't helping drive the game, but making people not lurk isn't in my set of super powers.

[Something_Smart]

I interpreted this to mean that you're intentionally withholding some of your content.

I'm withholding things that I COULD be saying because I think they're more likely noise than signal.
But I always do that. (Or at least I try!)

[Mathdino]

232 seems like a joke between friends.
Plus early in my scum history I would just dole out townreads to people voting me. That doesn't seem at all inconsistent with scum-ofrhz.

Reasonable/cooperative is pintu's playstyle. Granted, he's blown up once as scum, but since he's already done that he can't exactly AtE up the thread anymore when NSG and I are ingame.

[Zoronos]

What do you mean by 'blown up'?

[Mathdino]

Check out this entire ISO starting from here for "things that work great one game but that you can never do again".

I almost relate to pintu -- I get the vibe that he doesn't actually much enjoy playing scum and he seems to get slightly more indignant when he has to play it.

[HitAlt]

Too many"not willing to lynch D1s".

[jjh927]

@JJH -
I'd like to pester you for some thoughts on two players.

What do you think of MathDino? Ignoring his meta take on you, I'm not concerned with that (I realize it's a burden-of-proficiency-by-proxy take and at what level do you usefully argue with that). More like, do you think he's scummy / not scummy.

What do you think of Daveasz? Scummy or towny?

On Math:
We don't have to ignore the meta take right off the bat. It's lazy. It's not the only time in this game he's taken an approach to this game that is lazy. I would like him to not be lazy, but it doesn't mean he's scum. That said, while I haven't played with him before, I can see he's been doing the whole townread PoE thing- even if I don't think his reads are necessarily accurate here. Probably town, and should be easier to place as the game goes on.


On Davesaz:
Either result is possible.

But no seriously he's probably town because he's got this air of semi-competent cluelessness going and IDK if he can replicate that as scum because I haven't seen him play scum but my natural assumption is that it's very difficult to fake this kind of authentic tendency to bark up the wrong tree. I'd anticipate that he might actually make sense as scum? Not 100% sure but unless someone with more of a grasp on his meta tells me otherwise, I will be assuming he is town.


Good people to ask about btw