Echo Bay Grits SEO [game over]

[Lovebird]

Chirp chirp

[Lovebird]

I'm vt

[Gammagooey]

I won't be on a much until Thursday so I'll go ahead and claim echo bay citizen, I think ausukas the last to claim.

If anyone has any strong townreads they wanna share I wouldn't mind hearing them, I don't think I have much to say about possible scum that hasn't been said already except that dav's defense to me was reasonable.

[the worst]

I think Ausuka is right in saying she's outside her scum range
I'm p comfortable with Lovebird town
I am also fairly sure Ganski is town


those are the strongest ones off the top of my head honestly.

[Ausuka]

EBC here.

[Vaxkiller]

I'm lost. If I had to hip shoot I would probably shoot davsto. I don't really like how he just out of no where scum read whoever taht was and he flipped scum. If someone threatens me I'm not going to hip shoot because its just going to muck things up more and I'm not that confident at the moment.

I still need to go through some isos

[Davsto]

Austeritys idea is,, interesting, but I worry that with likely three scumteams (and both munitions co and the unflipped faction being mostly/entirely alive) it's incredibly likely that the top voted town player is actually scum. If the scumteam communicates it's relatively easy to rig.

Also, it doesn't take into account bulletproofs which would completely break the chain. There's bound to be a bulletproof somewhere along the line and the moment one is hit then there will be two players alive and so we need the top two to be town.

Basically, nice idea on the surface, but it wouldn't work.

austerity did you miss the bit where I told you that the existence of bulletproofs completely fucks it up

We still have one claimed bp alive and certainly there's unclaimed too. Regardless of the arguable point it could easily be manipulated by scum, the system simply wouldn't work.

austerity did you miss the bit where I told you that the existence of bulletproofs completely fucks it up

I didn't miss it, but I did forget to respond to it.

I doubt that there are any unclaimed town bulletproofs, especially among the lower players on the list.

Regardless of me disagreeing (I think it is more than possible for unclaimed town BPs),

any

BPs present stop your strategy from working as it breaks the chain of player-shooting-player-below. It'll have some odd results and I don't think the net result will be protown.

You've never mentioned Gamma before as any read of any sort. Why does him shooting town make him scum? Did you want to shoot him before for any reason? If so, why?

[Davsto]

Not that out of nowhere. I disliked the idea and despite it being clearly taken down Aust insisted on it. They said some odd things. General pattern of people pushing theorems being scum. I've told you all this before but you ignored it, so could you address this? It's not like I hipshot randomly, there was some mention of a dislike of Austerity.

[Vaxkiller]

I see questioning Aust, but I had no idea from those posts you were scum reading him for it.

Lemme look back and see how much interaction you guys have and if it increased/decreased before the shot.

[Vaxkiller]

Short iso.

I didn't really have a read on him before.

I don't know if I even have one now. But I'm pissed regardless and I feel like he DESERVES to be shot.

I feel like this proves gamma is town.
Hes saying He doesnt know if he has one now. Is like him explaining the flip before it happens.

[Davsto]

Also, you've said that my shot is "weird" because it came out of nowhere and hit scum, but I can't see you saying anything else and it's confusing. What's weird about it? Why is it scummy? More explanation would be appreciated

[Vaxkiller]

I dunno Davsto, you worry me, but in retrospect I think the munitions team thought they were in a good spot at the start of the day and prob werent prepared to bus.

EDit

Looking back at the alive/dead list in OP... we are in a abd spot!

Didn't relaly read the flips until now.
3goons +traitor teams?

So that means there is still 2 munitions goons out there and a trator and an SK?

[Vaxkiller]

Also, you've said that my shot is "weird" because it came out of nowhere and hit scum, but I can't see you saying anything else and it's confusing. What's weird about it? Why is it scummy? More explanation would be appreciated

I was thinking it was a bus, but I think it's just me being paranoid.

[Vaxkiller]

I didn't see you calling aust scum before the shot, like most people were like "here are my scum reads". You even mention some of yours, but dont include aus specifically. Those posts you posted show you interacting with aust, but I didnt get you were scum reading him from thsoe posts.

[Davsto]

I dunno Davsto, you worry me, but in retrospect I think the munitions team thought they were in a good spot at the start of the day and prob werent prepared to bus.

Just to clarify, Aust was grits. I think that shows pretty strongly that my shot being bussing would be odd, since if I were grits w/ austerity I'd be presumably bussing my last teammate despite them not being particularly scumread overall iirc.

I won't deny it was a quickly developed read, but that was just how it was, and it wasn't out of nowhere as such. Austerity had spent most of the game being nulltown through pretty much being off my radar. The flawed strategy brought my attention more to him and the insistence of it despite its obvious flaws did strike me as odd (though I didn't really mention that), and that post about gamma's shot was particularly opportunistic and scummy (the post I'm questioning in my last quote there). Theta's flip showing that a lot of scum had come up with the strategies and theories and stuff made it seem like a pattern to me so that was the final push.

[StefanB]

I know one think if someone doesn't die, after they are shoot the first time, kill them 100% because they are probably the traitor of the scumteam we are searching for, or it is Davsto.
Thanks for the worst, for the reads, Ganski and probably Ausuka full agreement.

P-Edit: If Davsto is scum then he is the Munitions traitor, so any connection to Aust is uninteresting.

[Vaxkiller]

Just to clarify, Aust was grits.

Shit, well nm then.

[Vaxkiller]

So davsto is scum because hes teh only claimed 1 shot and has to be the traitor?

Eh maybe.

[Vaxkiller]

If thats the case then then the worst is prob the SK like I said before.

[Ausuka]

I really do feel like this is a joke game and I should just shoot but I'm too cautious for my own good

[Ausuka]

And I feel like I have no legit reasons to scumread people anyway. I still think scum might be gamma.

[Davsto]

So davsto is scum because hes teh only claimed 1 shot and has to be the traitor?

Eh maybe.

If you're talking to stefan that's not quite what he said all he's saying is that if I am scum I'm traitor

[StefanB]

So davsto is scum because hes teh only claimed 1 shot and has to be the traitor?

Eh maybe.

My point was if he is scum as BP he has to be the traitor of scumgroup b, so conections to scumgroup a are not interesting.
Davsto beeing the traitor could be, or whe have an unclaimed BP, who is the traitor.

[Davsto]

just letting everyone know that in less than 48 hours, if no-one has shot the day will end, since the game is dragged to a bit of a halt. I'd appreciate someone with a shot at least saying or considering something or preparing, if not actually shooting.

[the worst]

Shoot damnit ppl