He calls me dumb and votes me. He also assumes mistakes can't be alignment indicative.In post 569, Gustavo wrote:In post 568, Shoshin wrote:The misunderstanding is the point... it's an unnatural reading of Garuga's language and reveals a scum perspective. Scum tend to think townies are after them even when they're not, and that's precisely the mindset that Mumble's misunderstanding exhibits. So it doesn't matter if Garuga clarified and Mumble changed his vote. The misunderstanding is the point.
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve read in a while. Mistakes happen. People misreading things happen. I almost always end up scum reading the people who scum read me and I do it as town. Your original point has been disproven and now spinning it to something else isn’t going to fly.
VOTE: shoshin
He doesn't answer my question and instead keeps saying mistakes can't be indicative of alignment.In post 575, Gustavo wrote:granted it's been a couple of years on this site, in general scum slips rarely happen.In post 572, Shoshin wrote:Why are you assuming that mistakes aren't indicative of alignment? Haven't you ever heard of something called a "scum slip"?
I am actually not making the assumption that mistakes are alignment indicative. You are the one doing that.
The mistake is not alignment indicative, you want everyone to believe it is.
He keeps saying mistakes can't be indicative of alignment without actually addressing anything I said.In post 588, Gustavo wrote:I probably could when I get to a computer but does it really matter? It’s not alignment indicative
He keeps saying mistakes can't be indicative of alignment without actually addressing anything I said.In post 591, Gustavo wrote:I can’t believe we are even discussing this at this point.
P.edit - it doesn’t matter though because it isn’t alignment indicative
He pushes my lynch because... he disagrees with me that mistakes can be alignment indicative... excellent reasons when I'm literally trying to engage him in a conversation about this point so that we can reach some sort of understanding and all he's doing is talking past me...In post 592, Gustavo wrote:Jar jar basically does it for me. I agree with that post. Now can we lynch shoshin?
He finally answers me... by insulting my play... and saying mistakes are "human," as if somehow that means they can't be alignment indicative...In post 598, Gustavo wrote:I’d suggest playing some newbie games to learn the ins and outs of mafia.In post 595, Shoshin wrote:Nobody is explaining why this isn't alignment indicative... saying it's not doesn't help me...
To quote a fairly famous quote.
“To err is human”
More insults...In post 601, Gustavo wrote:If that doesn’t answer it nobody can.
So, now he's sort of agreeing with me that mistakes can be alignment indicative ("you have to look at the intent behind it"), but suggests I'm not doing that because I'm ignoring the fact that Mumble realized his mistake? Realizing you made a mistake doesn't tell you anything about why someone made the mistake in the first place (i.e. the intent behind it), which is what I'm trying to talk about with Gustavo (and what my next post specifically points out).In post 607, Gustavo wrote:You have to look at the intent behind it. What’s scummy about misreading something, realizing it, then moving on?
I do that every time I make a mistake. I do it irl. I do it when I’m town and I do it as scum.
When I’m scum I dig deep and keep pushing the mistake even when everyone is telling me I’m wrong. I play stupid and keep pushing it.
More insults...In post 612, Gustavo wrote:yeah you are either delusional or scum
Back to saying that misreading can't be alignment indicative... and besides, why would compromise about that when nobody's made any attempt to actually explain why misreading something can't be alignment indicative...In post 620, Gustavo wrote:If shoshin was town he would compromise on his stance that misreading is AI
This is why I'm irritated - it's impossible to have an actual conversation with Gustavo about an issue I obviously care about without him just insulting me and talking past everything I'm saying, so how the fuck am I supposed to not get frustrated and not let that affect my read on him?
This whole game is frustrating but this especially bugs me.
