Newbie 1867 - Game Over

[Huntress]

Vote Count 3.3

northsidegal (2) - Nachomamma8, TheRampage

Not voting (3) - northsidegal, Scioness Sajj, vulcan logician


With five players alive, it takes three votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day Three is Monday, 11th June, 9am BST, (in (expired on 2018-06-11 09:00:00)).

[Nachomamma8]

if rampage and me are 50/50, then just instavote me because rampage deserves the win here

[Nachomamma8]

First, I'd like to expand on why I think that Rampage's reaction to NSG is town as shit:

I think we need to wait for everyone to check in. If no one counters the claim, then we have to proceed as if NSG and VT are town, which leaves Scioness, Nachomamma, and me to choose from. I am leaning towards Scioness myself. I had a gut feeling about them, but I know I am vanilla. So in my eyes it is down to Nacho and Scioness. However, with us being in a situation where we mislynch today and tomorrow and lose, this becomes a rough state of affairs. I would almost prefer to be the lynch as it takes me off the table and the remaining 2 town can make their own reads as NSG will die tonight, but at the same time, I am hopeful I can convince Vulcan that I am town as well.

If Rampage is scum here, then he's feeling a bit hot under the collar, which means he'd be eager to pass the pressure off on anyone else. Enter NSG wagon, where there are multiple people saying that they want to vote NSG, but also want to wait for people to talk first. As a result, I think Rampage would be fairly reluctant to let go of the possibility of an NSG push as scum, meaning that even if he thought that NSG would be cleared by claim, he'd shut up after seeing the IC vote her anyways just to confirm/deny his suspicions.

if rampage is scum here i don't understand how this happens.
if rampage is scum here he's a tricky fucker for pulling this off.

[Nachomamma8]

oh. and i'm too tired to focus properly (but I'm trying to get my thoughts out anyways!!), so here's a

NSG META TIP OF THE DAY

!!!

[Scioness Sajj]

eh
you are making me townread rampage, rampage makes me townread you. what do

when i overthink i get stuff like:
nsg being too rough around the edges to be scum
you seem too smooth for town
rampage playing something that does remind of how i have played my first game


but yeah we can worry about it tomorrow

[vulcan logician]

VOTE: nsg

Good luck, guys. Get the scum!

(FWIW, I don't townread Rampage for any of that. I can fake shit like that in my sleep.)

[Scioness Sajj]

when i saw vulcan logged in i thought he would hammer

[Nachomamma8]

NSG Meta Tell #1:

*Out of 36 completed town games, NSG has only been mislynched three times, which is an excellent record. I would argue that most people who are difficult to mislynch are the types of people who dig their heels in and fight hard when confronted with the possibility of their own lynch. NSG is most certainly one of those people, but she hasn't displayed that quality here.

For example, take Partition Mafia. NSG opened the game up with a ton of lurking, but, when it looked likelier and likelier that she would be lynched, stepped up her game in a huge way. She's clearly rattled when voted incorrectly in mafia games (which is a common trait), and that means that when she's voted in games as town it tends to increase her emotional investment in games, resulting in posts like these:

You're not unvoting group 3 after I said it was a scumclaim from my opinion, so why should I listen to yours?

YOU NEVER EXPLAINED WHY IT WAS A SCUMCLAIM.

kokichi - i have been doing nohting but asking you to talk things over. if you are town, you are playing like utter trash making that vote right now.

Now, I know that it's not fair to expect her to get angry every time she's approaching a lynch, but a major problem I had with NSG's play before today is that she just felt listless the whole way through - now she's about to get lynched and be a major part of town losing the game, but there's no significant change in her play: she still feels flat, and she isn't focused on helping the town solve the game after her lynch (she'd argue that she's just waiting for me or waiting for someone else, but I find that bullshit - she has a full game to analyze and the best she can give for scumsuspects is her shallow scumread on Rampage and her nonread on me, don't think it's unreasonable to ask her to produce more than that).

The other thing that stands out to me is the fact that she continues gamesolving while she goes down the whole time, AND there are more depth to her reads. For example, take her read on Scioness here: it's "Scioness is town because of meta", and then no doubt, no paranoia, nothing. She has a similarly strong townread on Wisdom in Partition Mafia, but even then, she still considers reasons why he could be scum (as in here). Her scumreads are more nebulous due to the nature of the game, but it's clear that she's trying to talk to her townreads about what she thinks the best lynch and that she's trying hard to guide the town to a win - I don't get that sense at all here.

Similar response to being lynched here - is upset that people don't see her as obvtown as shit, starts to suspect people for pushes on her who she expects to know her better - this one is a little weird because there's a plan to win the game in place and I don't actually understand where her lynch came from at all...?

Her play here is pretty much exactly what I expect - after clawing out of her mislynch D1 (predecessor was suspected), there's great scumhunting vs RC (the scum spearheading her push as she goes down), strong emotional investment almost instantly, fights it all the way down.

Contrast that with Micro 792; she gets a bit frustrated at Mathdino for reasons that aren't "I'm obviously town and this lynch is horrible", and argues with him as she goes down but it's much more going through the motions (like it is here), and the strong sense of her scumhunting as she goes down and trying to guide the town in the right direction just isn't there.

[Nachomamma8]

i'm pretty happy i got that in before huntress locked the thread, prolly would have cried otherwise

[Nachomamma8]

(FWIW, I don't townread Rampage for any of that. I can fake shit like that in my sleep.)

How do you know? You try to tell the truth as much as possible as scum, which means that emotional manipulation would be something that wouldn't be in your wheelhouse.

[TheRampage]

This sucks for me. I town read scioness and VT and Nacho. Scioness harder then anyone for his refusal of being the hammer of we are in the wrong here. I would trust Nacho with it as well. My best hope here is that we are right about NSG and this is game, cause if it isn't, either Nacho or Scioness has played one hell of a game.

[vulcan logician]

(FWIW, I don't townread Rampage for any of that. I can fake shit like that in my sleep.)

How do you know? You try to tell the truth as much as possible as scum, which means that emotional manipulation would be something that wouldn't be in your wheelhouse.

I don't mean I never lie. I simply mean that I put myself in a townies shoes and try to use tangible things I notice instead of fabrication. TBH, I have no fucking idea who the scum is, but I'm leaning town on Scion. I don't envy you guys.

[northsidegal]

first time replacing into a scumslot x_x

[Scioness Sajj]

oof

that's a relief

[TheRampage]

Omg, major relief. Time for our victory dance

[vulcan logician]

Yaaaaaay!

[vulcan logician]

Nice playing with you guys. Hope to see you in other games.

[vulcan logician]

Man, I gotta work on checking my paranoia.

[Huntress]

Vote Count 3.4

northsidegal (3) - Nachomamma8, TheRampage, vulcan logician [LYNCH]

Not voting (2) - northsidegal, Scioness Sajj


With five players alive, it takes three votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day Three is Monday, 11th June, 9am BST, (in (expired on 2018-06-11 09:00:00)).

[Huntress]

northsidegal (

Mafia Goon

) has been lynched.[/size]

Game over - TOWN wins!

Congratulations to Draynth, Ircher, Nachomamma8, nancy, Scioness Sajj, TheRampage and vulcan logician!

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[Draynth]

Hurray

[Draynth]

@Teacher
Genuinely curious, what made you think I was a PR?

[northsidegal]

history tells me that i should stop making my own nightkill choices

[TheRampage]

Man, I was so fucking mad that I backed off of Teacher. I saw your result and was like shit. We could have lynched Teacher D1. Draynth, were you always Teacher as first suspect and NSG as 2nd, if so, we could have won Day 2.

[Draynth]

I wasn't, I investigated Teacher mostly off of Gut but also the article that NSG linked, he was in the nullish pille of my reads so it made sense to check him.
Once I knew Teacher was scum it makes it much easier to look for associations, I hadn't really looked at NSG at all but she probably would've been my second choice to cop on N1 anyway.