Mini Normal 2012: Tropical Mafia [Endgame]

[Shoshin]

I'd say that a red BBT = red Invisibility

Anyone out there disagree w/ this?

I disagree unless Mumble is also scum, because otherwise BBT could have stuck on Mumble with me instead of going for Invisibility.

Not sure this is making sense to me. Why would BBT need to go for someone else at all ?

If Invisibility was town, why not just stick w the mislych?

Yeah, exactly. If BBT is scum, it damns both Invisibility and Mumble. The same logic you're using re: BBT moving off Invisibility applies to BBT moving off Mumble.

I don't think BBT is scum, but if he is, it still means I'm right about Mumble/Invisibility.

[Mumble]

I disagree unless Mumble is also scum, because otherwise BBT could have stuck on Mumble with me instead of going for Invisibility.

You don't think I'm scum anymore?

[Invisibility]

I'd say that a red BBT = red Invisibility

Anyone out there disagree w/ this?

I disagree unless Mumble is also scum, because otherwise BBT could have stuck on Mumble with me instead of going for Invisibility.

there was a wagon building on me
if he was scum he would want to be on the wagon

[JarJarDrinks]

I'd say that a red BBT = red Invisibility

Anyone out there disagree w/ this?

I disagree unless Mumble is also scum, because otherwise BBT could have stuck on Mumble with me instead of going for Invisibility.

Not sure this is making sense to me. Why would BBT need to go for someone else at all ?

If Invisibility was town, why not just stick w the mislych?

Yeah, exactly. If BBT is scum, it damns both Invisibility and Mumble. The same logic you're using re: BBT moving off Invisibility applies to BBT moving off Mumble.

I don't think BBT is scum, but if he is, it still means I'm right about Mumble/Invisibility.

I don't understand why ur throwing Mumbles name into the mix.

I asked if anyone disagreed with red BBT = red Invisibility and you said you disagreed but what you're posting recently sounds like u agree.

If you disagree, then explain to me the scenario where Scum-BBT is partners with Town-Invisibility

[Shoshin]

BBT spent most of D1 casting shade on Mumble. Then he starts D2 with this:

I'm more than happy to lynch Mumble or Invisibility. I don't really have a preference either way.

VOTE: Mumble

But then he moves off Mumble to vote Invisibility as pressure starts building on me from HF, Invisibility, and Mumble:

VOTE: Invisibility

I'm not sure I'm 100% happy with Shoshin's response to my question, expected something somewhat different.

If BBT's scum, why not stick on Mumble where he's got my support?

[JarJarDrinks]

So you're saying you believe this is possible?

BlueBloodedToffee

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Invisibility

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Mumble

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Shoshin is trying to explain that at start of Day I was pushing Mumbles with her. After asking her if she wanted to work with me.

Despite agreeing to do this, I then switched over to Invisibility on my own accord. Why does scum!BBT push town!Mumbles and then move onto scum!Invisibility for no reason? Hence Shoshin saying it only makes sense if Mumble is scum as well.

I find that I'm in a really strange position here - I'm hard town reading Shoshin but something isn't right. I want more people to weigh in with their opinions.

[Shoshin]

BBT's got the idea.

[Shoshin]

BBT's probably town. Yes, it's plausible that BBT is partnered with Invisibility/Mumble but either way we should be lynching Invisibility/Mumble first.

[Mumble]

Shoshin is trying to explain that at start of Day I was pushing Mumbles with her. After asking her if she wanted to work with me.

Despite agreeing to do this, I then switched over to Invisibility on my own accord. Why does scum!BBT push town!Mumbles and then move onto scum!Invisibility for no reason? Hence Shoshin saying it only makes sense if Mumble is scum as well.

I find that I'm in a really strange position here - I'm hard town reading Shoshin but something isn't right. I want more people to weigh in with their opinions.

You need to explain what info you received to think Shoshin is scum, and why you waited until Invis was at L-1 to bring it up.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

People keep linking Invisibilty being L-1 to the timing of my switch in read on Shoshin.

Whilst they're very lightly connected - Invis posting around his L-1 made me doubt the read - if you read through my posts towards Shoshin today you can see that I was trying to work something out with her all Day long. This was just the end result.

It was niggling me all day and I didn't really want to force anyone to claim/claim myself if it wasn't needed. I'm still unsure with how to proceed.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I haven't even thought how this might effect other people and I may or may not have told a white lie or two. This could be seen as anti-town but, shrug, something is off.

[Shoshin]

BBT, what's "niggling" you?

[Mumble]

Um...by explaining how what you received made you 95% sure Shoshin is scum. You've created a state of chaos, and town you should want to remedy that.

[Shoshin]

JJD, I don't get why you've been after BBT all day. Can you explain that?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Your answers to me throughout the day - but if you didn't know anyone visited you then it makes sense.

There are a couple of scenarios where you COULD be town but it's much more likely that you're just scum.

[texcat]

I have been town reading both BBT and Shoshin. I have no idea what to make of this, and without more info, don't know how I'll ever make anything of it.

I still think Invis is probably scum. I'm not sure what you were expecting to see at L-1, BBT. A fake claim?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Fuck it.

I'm claiming Town Loyal Fruit Vendor and I visited Shoshin last night. She should have received fruit from me but she is saying she has no idea of anything. My action only fails if I target scum. Or if I was role-blocked which is highly unlikely.

PEdit - It wasn't the claim Tex - it was the posting in general.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Shoshin, I would like to pear up with you today. Are you open to that?

Note the 'pear'.

[Shoshin]

Well, I didn't receive any fruit. So you were role blocked or redirected or who knows?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Despite numerous attempts to gain an answer from Shoshin today she has shown no knowledge of receiving anything.

I tried to ignore this as I was town reading her so strongly but I don't know, something is wrong.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I wasn't role-blocked. I don't think I would have been high on scum's priority list after my D1.

[Shoshin]

And yeah, if I had received a fruit and saw that post I would have responded differently so I get why you worry...

[Shoshin]

Redirected? Bus drove? Role blocked? Who knows? If scum is Invisibility, JJD, or Mumble, you and I were prime targets for scum because of our suspicions on D1.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That's a good point actually.