Labyrinth Mafia (Endgame)

[Vartsun]

ill gamesolve and get back to you

tbg

when im not about to go to sleep <3

~taly

[Vartsun]

[the worst]

we're fucked

[Nancy Drew 39]

What's your take on nd39 Taly?

Mmmm... Town lean post-ISO skim.

They are consistently voicing their stances, opinions, and thoughts. 241, 308

They've engaged 1 on 1 with several people right now, some with questions.

I don't agree with them townreading my strongest scumreads,

{Tgkfap, Creature}

; but I don't find scum motivation behind that?

471 is towny to me because she's voicing a new opinion with her own reasoning, it strikes me as genuine.

However, they haven't voted yet, and I don't know where their heads at for scum.

What do you think of them?

ND39

, could you explain your

tgkfap

read? You haven't used your vote at all in the game, do you have any read worthy of pushing?

~ Taly

He just seemed townie to me. His posts seemed natural and villagery. Wheme maybe? He seems way too eager to push mislynches. I am still far from fully caught up still. I don’t even know what the curent votes are. @RadiantCowbells , could you please post that? Thanks.

I want to do some more ISOs and I’m still only halfway through the thread.

I want to basically distinguish between votes on players that I think may be scummy and bad pushes for silly NAI reasons. You seem to be one of the people in this game with well thought-out pushes but I want to form my own opinions. I generally prefer to just go with my gut than sheep. I have a few players that are pinging more than others but I want to figure out if its just playstyle differences or a possible scumlead.

[RadiantCowbells]

Labyrinth Mafia - Votecount 1.22:

Creature (3): WhemeStar, Vartsun, Joral
The Worst (2): Shoshin, Reality Check
Princess of Renais (1): TehBrawlGuy
Shoshin (1): TPFKAP
WhemeStar (1): ArcAngel9
Reality Check (1): The Worst
ArcAngel9 (1): Randomidget
TPFKAP (0):
Joral (0):
Nancy Drew 39 (0):
Scioness Sajj (0):
Vartsun (0):
TehBrawlGuy (0):
NicoRobin (0):
Randomidget (0):


Not voting: Nancy Drew 39, NicoRobin, Creature, Scioness Sajj, Princess of Renais

With 15 alive it's 8 to lynch.

The day will end at 7 days, 14 hours, 46 minutes.

[Princess of Renais]

[RadiantCowbells]

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ss and Jorai are probably town.

I’m maybe thinking Princess or Shosin?

Princess, self-explanatory. I didn’t like Shosin’s reasons for her vote.

VOTE: Rennais

[Shoshin]

umm i don't get how exactly knowing why worst is tring me connects to sorting both of us.

why do you think we share alignment?

I didn't say you share alignment. Understanding how the worst thinks about the game helps me sort him, and understanding why he town reads you helps me see if I'm missing something about you.

[Shoshin]

um, in 317 i have committed to townreading PoR strongly enough that i won't vote her d1. thought it was pretty clear since it was an answer to vartsun's question. do you have better examples?

i have explained why i didn't actually push you hard, did you miss that post? quote to me that tone of conviction posts, please.

and the most important - explain why all of this is scum indicative.

I didn't see a strong town read in 317; saying you don't get scum vibes isn't the same as strong town. I'm not in the mood to get into a back-and-forth with you about why I think you're scummy, because even if you're scum it's not like I'm going to convince you of that fact. And I"m surprised you're arguing against the idea that your reads were weak and non-committal when you yourself said hat you didn't even have any strong reads (291's "null zone of fence-y reads").

You expressed conviction on pushing me in 150, 171, 173, and 175. You weren't just voting me, you were actively lobbying for more votes on me.

I think scum tend to play in the way you're playing, expressing weak reads, waiting for a clear direction to develop before committing to anything, and contriving pushes (pushing with a tone of conviction when there isn't any actual conviction makes me feel the entire push was fake). Lots of scum focus on faking a "town tone" but forget that the tone has to actually cohere with what they're doing in the game, and I don't get that sense from you.

[Shoshin]

I wonder what would have happened if I had refused to answer why I townread TPFKAP... bet the worst would have voted me for it...

assuming he would do that, what would it mean to you?

I wouldn't have done that because I think it's a legitimate question. It's fine to ignore boring questions that don't actually help sort alignments, but that wasn't my question.

If I'd refused to answer and the worst voted me, I'd say it was a valid vote. I certainly wouldn't get upset about it. I'd understand exactly where it came from.

[Shoshin]

I didn’t like Shosin’s reasons for her vote.

For the vote on Sajj or Reality?

[Scioness Sajj]

yeah, i thought you have just jumped the gun on 317
VOTE: shoshin

[Scioness Sajj]

@mod v/la till 4th

[Nancy Drew 39]

I didn’t like Shosin’s reasons for her vote.

For the vote on Sajj or Reality?

Reality. However, I’m not clear whether that’s just wrong or scummy. I read the reasons you highlighted as NAI.

[Nancy Drew 39]

umm i don't get how exactly knowing why worst is tring me connects to sorting both of us.

why do you think we share alignment?

I didn't say you share alignment. Understanding how the worst thinks about the game helps me sort him, and understanding why he town reads you helps me see if I'm missing something about you.

I wonder what would have happened if I had refused to answer why I townread TPFKAP... bet the worst would have voted me for it...

assuming he would do that, what would it mean to you?

I wouldn't have done that because I think it's a legitimate question. It's fine to ignore boring questions that don't actually help sort alignments, but that wasn't my question.

If I'd refused to answer and the worst voted me, I'd say it was a valid vote. I certainly wouldn't get upset about it. I'd understand exactly where it came from.

Why are you so concerned with how the worst thinks and reads thing, over any other player in this game?

[Shoshin]

I didn’t like Shosin’s reasons for her vote.

For the vote on Sajj or Reality?

Reality. However, I’m not clear whether that’s just wrong or scummy. I read the reasons you highlighted as NAI.

What's the problem with my reasons? Reality's read felt unnatural and fake (alignment indicative because townies don't fake reads), and the language used ("really" and "tbh") is the sort of language that scum tends to use when expressing fake reads (yes, town use these sorts of qualifiers too, but scum tend to use them more, especially when expressing reads that don't have any basis in the actual game - and that isn't just theory, it's something I've observed quite often when comparing the same player's town/scum game). Do you disagree with me that the read was unnatural (did you town read Joral at that point?)? And what's wrong with my point about language?

[Shoshin]

Why are you so concerned with how the worst thinks and reads thing, over any other player in this game?

I didn't say I care more about how the worst thinks than others, but at that point in the game, that's who I was interacting with / trying to sort - the worst had asked me a question about one of my reads so I had the worst on my mind as well as my top suspect, Sajj, and I noticed that we had a strong disagreement over Sajj so I asked the worst a question about it so as to better read them both - and it just so happens that the worst chose to deny my attempts to talk with him about the game instead of working with me so that led to a stronger push on him to get some answers.

[the worst]

tbh really, shoshin really gottem tbh

[Shoshin]

Yeah, great, you like to fuck around instead of working with me to find scum... I've go to say, it's been a lot of fun playing with you the worst, you've been very welcoming and warm in our interactions. Thank you for that.

[Shoshin]

Like, I don't get it. Feels like the worst wants to look cool by posting lots of meaningless shit and then fucking with a newbie rather than actually scumhunting? But that makes him strong town in some people's minds? I don't get how anything he's doing is pro-town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I didn’t like Shosin’s reasons for her vote.

For the vote on Sajj or Reality?

Labyrinth Mafia - Votecount 1.22:

Creature (3): WhemeStar, Vartsun, Joral
The Worst (2): Shoshin, Reality Check
Princess of Renais (1): TehBrawlGuy
Shoshin (1): TPFKAP
WhemeStar (1): ArcAngel9
Reality Check (1): The Worst
ArcAngel9 (1): Randomidget
TPFKAP (0):
Joral (0):
Nancy Drew 39 (0):
Scioness Sajj (0):
Vartsun (0):
TehBrawlGuy (0):
NicoRobin (0):
Randomidget (0):


Not voting: Nancy Drew 39, NicoRobin, Creature, Scioness Sajj, Princess of Renais

With 15 alive it's 8 to lynch.

The day will end at 7 days, 14 hours, 46 minutes.

Um, your vote isn’t on Saj, it’s on the worst?

[Shoshin]

Um, your vote isn’t on Saj, it’s on the worst?

I voted Sajj before the worst - then switched my vote when the worst didn't answer my question.

[Shoshin]

Nancy, why are you reading Sajj as town?

[Creature]

Amazing day we have here