Open 728: Sharing is Caring (GAME OVER)

[jjh927]

If I gotta choose between jjh and the worst I think I'd prefer to lynch jjh but I'll overthink it and see if I have time to read his scumgame I modded.

Who are you

[Almost50]

Sharing is Caring D1 VC #19

jjh927 (5): northsidegal, the worst, pinturicchio, ruru, Mathdino,
HeWhoSwims (3): davesaz, ofrhz, BlackStar,
the worst (2): HitAlt, jjh927,

Not Voting: Something_Smart, Zoronos, HeWhoSwims,

(expired on 2018-06-06 23:00:00)

Hey, you wanna hear a cat joke? Nvm. Just kitten.

[ofrhz]

Someone should meta read him if he has scum meta

With the caveat that I both think meta is overrated and that I'm not great at it:
I feel his meta suggests town, and I think his earlier in the day phase play was a slight town lean. However, I think his play in the later part of this day leans scummy. So I'm not sure I buy my own town-meta conclusion.
But that's what the meta suggests, imo.

Do you mind elaborating on his meta

[ofrhz]

I could compromise on a tw lynch

Not really sold on scum jjh

[the worst]

Nah lynch elsewhere today, I am not a good lynch.

[BlackStar]

Nah lynch elsewhere today, I am not a good lynch.

It would be funny if it actually worked when people said this

[the worst]

it prolly shld

[Zoronos]

Someone should meta read him if he has scum meta

With the caveat that I both think meta is overrated and that I'm not great at it:
I feel his meta suggests town, and I think his earlier in the day phase play was a slight town lean. However, I think his play in the later part of this day leans scummy. So I'm not sure I buy my own town-meta conclusion.
But that's what the meta suggests, imo.

Do you mind elaborating on his meta

Keeping in mind that as soon as you define a play style that tell goes out the window:
His town games felt more confused, more spur of the moment, and he came to conclusions much slower.
His scum games he stated conclusions over process, asked more meaningless questions whose answers he didn’t seem to care about, and he seemed to be taking a wider view of the field.

[HeWhoSwims]

If I gotta choose between jjh and the worst I think I'd prefer to lynch jjh but I'll overthink it and see if I have time to read his scumgame I modded.

Who are you

I'm HeWhoSwims it says right there at the top of the quote

Hitalt ... I think discussing the Night at this point is really bad regardless of Dino's role pm

Re: Dave. Zoro, he seems to be away for now but overall his posts seem towny and I had a small piece of meta. I wouldn't want to lynch him today.

[Zoronos]

Can you expand that thought? I care less about the end read than why you think that.

[jjh927]

Oh you were talking about the worst rather than outing yourself as an alt of 1 of 2 people

[HeWhoSwims]

I think he's clearly commenting on stuff, is thinking (showing in his posting) and not afraid to question common townreads or well, people not near the bottom of readslists in Dino/Ruru, for example. Plus he seems townier than our scumgame together.

Indeed I was talking about modding TW.

[Zoronos]

I, hmm...
I’m not really sold on the notion that questioning a consensus town read is inherently towny. I’d think it’s closer to NAI in this case since not much new was uncovered, and it didn’t result in a scum read being pushed.

Commenting on stuff is also an odd take, since his posting has been pretty sparse and largely orthogonal to primary thread topics. Which, again, is fine if it creates and drives a new scum read. But I’m not sure I’ve really seen that here. He’s voting you and now you’re the second largest lynch train, but he effectively dropped a vote and left. He’s not selling that read, not pushing to lynch it.

Talk to me about the notion here that he’s townier than your scum game together. What do you feel we’re the triggers that demarcated his scum posting that are absent here (or vice versa)

[the worst]

There's different ways to question a consensus I guess. either #staywokely or like, actively chaotically.
which consensus is on your mind Zoro?

[Zoronos]

The consensus I was thinking of was the read on Ruru.
The whole ‘town hero’ bit at the end struck me as a bit over the top.

I can expound more later, but the tl;dr was that it struck me as make-work. So I’m curious if HWS (or anyone really) also got that impression, or if I’m out on an island.

[the worst]

o yeah nah HWS read on Ruru was tragic

[Zoronos]

I was referring to Dave’s read on Ruru. I don’t recall HWS having a read on Ruru that stood out to me.

[davesaz]

The whole ‘town hero’ bit at the end struck me as a bit over the top.

If you're town, and you're the only person who sees something, and you fail to explain it, and town loses, you gamethrew.
That is and always will be my opinion. This has nothing to do with being a hero. The only right way to play town is to explain stuff.
Even when it's gut and all I have is gut, then I say that's what it is.
There is exactly one reason I can think of that might be an exception -- a PR result where you have a reasonable expectation of living long enough to get another result.

Now given that philosophy, if someone has a mysterious read D1 and refuses to explain it, they're scum. (exception being a town read in a mason game)

[Zoronos]

because if I'm right I might be the only one seeing it and possibly

town's only hope

.

Help me obi-wan davesaz, you're my only hope.

I like seeing explanations. I think full thought process makes it harder for scum to skate by faking out reads.
But claiming to be town's only hope on D1 is a *little* over the top.

Also, I've seen bad town fail to explain reads too many times to assume that everyone that fails to explain a read is scum. I'm totally fine pushing people to explain reads, but reducing it to 'unexplained read ergo scum' will get false positives.

[BlackStar]

It feels like we're just wasting time until the deadline. Speculation is cool and all, but its easier to make solid connections and cases after we lynch someone. So lets just do that already

[northsidegal]

It feels like we're just wasting time until the deadline. Speculation is cool and all, but its easier to make solid connections and cases after we lynch someone. So lets just do that already

i agree with this. it feels like we're waiting on something that just isn't coming.

i'd like to hear some specific thoughts on what the people off of the jjh wagon are doing / think of that wagon.

[davesaz]

Concerned that I'm only explicitly townreading one person on that wagon.

[davesaz]

jjh is below the would lynch line for me despite the wagon composition concern.

[ruru]

When I find myself in times of trouble
Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom
"Lynch jjh go d2"

[BlackStar]

It feels like we're just wasting time until the deadline. Speculation is cool and all, but its easier to make solid connections and cases after we lynch someone. So lets just do that already

i agree with this. it feels like we're waiting on something that just isn't coming.

i'd like to hear some specific thoughts on what the people off of the jjh wagon are doing / think of that wagon.

It feels like some people just voted for him because they saw the momentum and not because they actually felt he was scum