Mini Normal 2015 - Lab Rat Mafia - Finished

[Espeonage]

Nah I was annoyed at PP. And then decided to vote him for being mafia.

[Golden Robster]

Nah I was annoyed at PP. And then decided to vote him for being mafia.

What are your thoughts about other players?

[Espeonage]

I haven't been reading. There's quote chains so I skipped the pages except on a skim.

[Golden Robster]

I haven't been reading. There's quote chains so I skipped the pages except on a skim.

There's like four/five pages of relevant discussion and semi-decent content.

Pick one TR and SR from the people who've spoken?

[Espeonage]

Town: Me
Scum: PP

[joral]

Town: Me
Scum: PP

VOTE: Espeonage

I'll let Robster make his observations on this one, but seriously? You're putting yourself as your town read? Seems really low effort, and not in any way moving the game forward. Everyone publicly will read themselves as town, whether it is true or not, assuming normal win conditions.

[Golden Robster]

Byron... Feels weird. Nothing I can point to directly, gut feel is saying off, especially on the wagon comment. Did not feel it was picking up any steam at the time.

Why aren't you voting him if he feels weird?

You provided a reads list of 2 town, 2 neutral, 2 players that you didn't state alignment so I'm assuming neutral and 1 player that you stated felt weird. Basically 2 town, 4 neutral and 1 player that feels weird.

Why does it feel like you're trying to not ruffle any feathers?

Also, you didn't even vote anybody; your reads list doesn't feel that real to me even though you gave lots of reasoning. Why do you have zero scumreads right now?

[Golden Robster]

Town: Me
Scum: PP

Talk me through why you have zero townreads and think PP is scum.

[PenguinPower]

Nah I was annoyed at PP. And then decided to vote him for being mafia.

How did I annoy you, and why am I mafia?

[joral]

Byron... Feels weird. Nothing I can point to directly, gut feel is saying off, especially on the wagon comment. Did not feel it was picking up any steam at the time.

Why aren't you voting him if he feels weird?

You provided a reads list of 2 town, 2 neutral, 2 players that you didn't state alignment so I'm assuming neutral and 1 player that you stated felt weird. Basically 2 town, 4 neutral and 1 player that feels weird.

Why does it feel like you're trying to not ruffle any feathers?

Also, you didn't even vote anybody; your reads list doesn't feel that real to me even though you gave lots of reasoning. Why do you have zero scumreads right now?

Gotten into trouble before in games for jumping too much, so a little gun shy.

[Kublai Khan]

Gotten into trouble before in games for jumping too much, so a little gun shy.

Why jump on Espeonage and not ByronVilla?

[Espeonage]

I ain't read, what you want me to say

[Kublai Khan]

I ain't read, what you want me to say

"I'll read"?

[joral]

Robster, couple questions:

What good does it do to needlessly ruffle feathers? Hoping to provoke a reaction? My experience is you get the hot heads who don't reread before they post, but for me it has not been a decent scum indication.
Since you've returned to posting, I assume that you think we're out of the normal RVS fluffposting? What reads do you have aside from me?

[UnrealSeal]

Woo boy, this thread progressed 4 pages without me. Glad to know the game is active but jesus is this gonna be a read.

I'll read through this thread in the morning and try to find some people to scream angrily at over the Internet

[Psyche]

Vote Count

Espeonage (4) - Performer, Tommy Egan, Creature, joral
ByronVilla (3) - Kublai Khan, Hopkirk, Ircher
PenguinPower (2) - Golden Robster, Espeonage
Kublai Khan (1) - PenguinPower
joral (1) - UnrealSeal
Not_Mafia (0) -
UnrealSeal (0) -
Golden Robster (0) -
Creature (0) -
Tommy Egan (0) -
Performer (0) -
Ircher (0) -
Hopkirk (0) -
Not Voting (2) - Not_Mafia, ByronVilla

With 13 players alive, it will take 7 to lynch.

The deadline is June 15, 2018, at 3:00 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2018-06-15 15:00:00).

[joral]

Right now, vote on Espe is pressure for information. did not like the flippancy of responses, including the self-town read. Seems you've noticed it hasn't really improved.

[Espeonage]

Bruh.

[UnrealSeal]

Alright, I've read through some stuff.

I agree with Espeonage vote since they seem to be more focused on trying to find "scum" (as in, trying to find reasons why someone is scummy) instead of townhunting, but I'm kinda nervous to put him at L-2 so early in the game, I'd like to see at least a couple more people on the spot before it comes to that, since I find L-2 can quickly become volatile.

I think Bryon and Hopkirk are pretty towny, both seem to be providing good analysis. Khan's a bit condescending but he's probably just asshole!town, seems like he's just trying to provoke reactions with aggression.

[Ircher]

Can you elaborate on your Bryon read?

[Tommy Egan]

I still expect joral to have time to play this game.

Well yeah but one thing I don't get is how you're getting annoyed at specifically Joral for being inactive, when at the same time Seal's posted the same amount of times and Not_Mafia has Not_Even_Posted yet. Like how you gonna get mad at Joral when those two also exist. It feels like you just kinda wanna push them to the side whilst you focus on Joral.

Its pretty obvious that Creature wasn't getting mad at anyone.

Penguin can be town for now, I didn't like how Espeonage jumped on Penguins posts when Penguin was only doing something I definitely see at least moderately often in RVS.
Scum!Espeonage spews scum!Seal from Seals opening post.

Why are their opening posts scummy?

Espeonage for jumping on something that is NAI at that stage of the game, his following posts haven't changed my mind on him either. Seal for the post below just blindly agreeing with no reason as to why.

Damn, did not expect this to start up so quickly. Anyways, hey all.

Golden Robster and Espeonage good posts, Ircher's latest "You're scum for secret RVS reasons" is most likely a reaction test and I'm going to VOTE: joral because I don't see any other good reasons to vote anything else

As bonus point I think there's more to this because Seal has now followed up agreeing with the Espe wagon, but has also found a reason not to vote on it too. A subtle distancing tactic from him.

Alright, I've read through some stuff.

I agree with Espeonage vote since they seem to be more focused on trying to find "scum" (as in, trying to find reasons why someone is scummy) instead of townhunting, but I'm kinda nervous to put him at L-2 so early in the game, I'd like to see at least a couple more people on the spot before it comes to that, since I find L-2 can quickly become volatile.

I think Bryon and Hopkirk are pretty towny, both seem to be providing good analysis. Khan's a bit condescending but he's probably just asshole!town, seems like he's just trying to provoke reactions with aggression.

Woo boy, this thread progressed 4 pages without me. Glad to know the game is active but jesus is this gonna be a read.

I'll read through this thread in the morning and try to find some people to scream angrily at over the Internet

4 pages isn't a lot so i'd get used to it if I were you.

[Tommy Egan]

Also, i'd need to look back to remind myself who it was but a couple players jumped on Creature accusing this of being his scum play. It's far to early in the game to know that and the Creature slot will determine itself as the game goes on. I didn't want to jump on it at the time as I wanted to see if anyone else would try push the same rhetoric so i'll be keeping an eye on the players who pushed Creature as scum for meta reasons for now until we can see which Creature we have here.

[Performer]

Have to do catchup.
Pg 2, the flashwagons on pp and kublai are interesting. Doesn't look AI though, as either alignment could do that.

[Performer]

Liking byr and pp's thought processes, looks like they're coming from town. If pp isn't though...Then he's quite gutsy and decisive as scum. Kublai's interaction with ircher is suspicious. I saw ircher's answer as a townie train of thinking.

[Performer]

^above post regarding page 3