Open 728: Sharing is Caring (GAME OVER)

[northsidegal]

It feels like we're just wasting time until the deadline. Speculation is cool and all, but its easier to make solid connections and cases after we lynch someone. So lets just do that already

i agree with this. it feels like we're waiting on something that just isn't coming.

i'd like to hear some specific thoughts on what the people off of the jjh wagon are doing / think of that wagon.

It feels like some people just voted for him because they saw the momentum and not because they actually felt he was scum

who?

[the worst]

When I find myself in times of trouble
Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom
"Lynch jjh go d2"

amen sista

[Almost50]

Sharing is Caring D1 VC #19

jjh927 (5): northsidegal, the worst, pinturicchio, ruru, Mathdino,
HeWhoSwims (3): davesaz, ofrhz, BlackStar,
the worst (2): HitAlt, jjh927,

Not Voting: Something_Smart, Zoronos, HeWhoSwims,

(expired on 2018-06-06 23:00:00)

Hey, you wanna hear a cat joke? Nvm. Just kitten.

Nothing has changed (not even the joke)

[Zoronos]

It feels like we're just wasting time until the deadline. Speculation is cool and all, but its easier to make solid connections and cases after we lynch someone. So lets just do that already

i agree with this. it feels like we're waiting on something that just isn't coming.

i'd like to hear some specific thoughts on what the people off of the jjh wagon are doing / think of that wagon.

He's in my PoE pool, hasn't done anything to reach out of the lurkscum bucket, and when given every opportunity to help scumhunt while under pressure declined to do so (I don't feel his back and forth with Pintu was specifically revelatory here). I'll declare intent if it goes to -1.
But I'm not enthused about the lynch.

Either I'm upside down on a read or the scum are playing lurky, so I'm trying to figure out where I'm going wrong because all the scum being lurky is both unlikely and a bit zzzzz. It feels like nobody is trying to stop this other than by vacating the thread, and I'd expect *something* to be happening if scum is in the dock.

[HeWhoSwims]

I, hmm...
I’m not really sold on the notion that questioning a consensus town read is inherently towny. I’d think it’s closer to NAI in this case since not much new was uncovered, and it didn’t result in a scum read being pushed.

Commenting on stuff is also an odd take, since his posting has been pretty sparse and largely orthogonal to primary thread topics. Which, again, is fine if it creates and drives a new scum read. But I’m not sure I’ve really seen that here. He’s voting you and now you’re the second largest lynch train, but he effectively dropped a vote and left. He’s not selling that read, not pushing to lynch it.

Talk to me about the notion here that he’s townier than your scum game together. What do you feel we’re the triggers that demarcated his scum posting that are absent here (or vice versa)

I mean I don't think Dave is really in any danger here which is why the questioning would be more townie to me. Don't think he did it as scum where he wasn't in danger either. As for commenting I see (enough, I think) of him questioning people on their motives and just leaving his opinions and reads on stuff, which obviously is a given... but it seems to me as though he's doing less accusing and more evaluating this game and that seems town to me. Hope that's what you wanted to know?

o yeah nah HWS read on Ruru was tragic

How so>?

[HitAlt]

We should lynch TW today.
I won't budge from that.

We lynch jjh927, and we likely hit town.
I wouldn't even feel bad if jjh927 DID flip today, and flips scum. I don't have a strong read on them either way, I just think they give more of a fake vibe, rather than actual scum. I just think we would have way more activity in game against his lynch if he was scum.

[HitAlt]

Just massvote the worst now.
It's gonna be like ripping off a plaster.
It only hurts for a moment, and then we get a scumflip and it's all good.
I will also personally guarantee there's no scum in the wagon if we do it quickly.

[the worst]

yeah nah HitAlt lacks an ounce of nuance. this is clearly a fake tunnel.
but jjh's read was also so fake
and they're defending jjh

This can wait for d2

[the worst]

How so>?

the associative read with ofrhz really really pinged me. I feel like its easy enough to get a read on Ruru on her own merits--ignoring other slots where are you at with her?

[HitAlt]

So we flip jjh today and tomorrow I'm still scum because I had TMI on his slot?

[HitAlt]

Your playbook was left open on page 2.

[Mathdino]

Im available to contribute to a worst lynch. Hes just difficult to lynch unless I have extreme confidence on that read, which I don't.
I guess I could go dictator mode and fake confidence but that just dilutes the times I really am confident.

[the worst]

no overnight flashwagons pls I need to sleep

[the worst]

also don't think I'm interested enough in this game to properly implode currently

[Something_Smart]

yeah nah HitAlt lacks an ounce of nuance. this is clearly a fake tunnel.

That actually means it's probably a real tunnel.

[Zoronos]

I don’t trust people not to LoLhammer, but also nobody seems enthused to vote to L -1.
Need to either consolidate the counterwagons or get the nonvoters to move.

[BlackStar]

It feels like we're just wasting time until the deadline. Speculation is cool and all, but its easier to make solid connections and cases after we lynch someone. So lets just do that already

i agree with this. it feels like we're waiting on something that just isn't coming.

i'd like to hear some specific thoughts on what the people off of the jjh wagon are doing / think of that wagon.

It feels like some people just voted for him because they saw the momentum and not because they actually felt he was scum

who?

The Worst and pintchurrio

[ofrhz]

Can people not voting please vote soon? I think most people have given their opinions on the current wagons and once everyone has voted, people will move their votes naturally

[Something_Smart]

once everyone has voted, people will move their votes naturally

But not otherwise?

[Zoronos]

That question seems a tad pointless.

[ofrhz]

The VC hasn’t moved over the weekend so I gather not

[Zoronos]

I mean I don't think Dave is really in any danger here which is why the questioning would be more townie to me. Don't think he did it as scum where he wasn't in danger either. As for commenting I see (enough, I think) of him questioning people on their motives and just leaving his opinions and reads on stuff, which obviously is a given... but it seems to me as though he's doing less accusing and more evaluating this game and that seems town to me. Hope that's what you wanted to know?

That is exactly what I wanted to know. I don’t think I agree with your conclusions, but that type of answer is what I was looking for.

The notion that Dave isn’t in any danger here is precisely why I’m concerned about the type of questioning involved; it looked to me like make work designed to blend in without going anywhere. Neither he nor ruru were under any serious pressure, so he did something that might look like legitimate scum hunting, came to a town read, and moved on. In a vacuum those things are fine, but the questions felt a little facil and the angst a tad oversold.

Anyway, I appreciate the meta perspective. That’s useful, even if I’m not a big believer in the value of meta.

[jjh927]

I guess I could properly case the worst if that would help

[Zoronos]

We should lynch TW today.
I won't budge from that.

We lynch jjh927, and we likely hit town.
I wouldn't even feel bad if jjh927 DID flip today, and flips scum. I don't have a strong read on them either way, I just think they give more of a fake vibe, rather than actual scum. I just think we would have way more activity in game against his lynch if he was scum.

What is the difference in your mind here between a 'fake' vibe and a scum vibe?

I certainly agree on the activity point, and it's been worrying me a tad.

[Zoronos]

VOTE: Davesaz
My position re: hammers hasn't changed, but want to record some suspicions.