Mini 2006: Scummer in this game UPick GAME OVER

[Mathdino]

I know I asked you to play out the remainder of the day and I appreciate that you have chosen to do so

Read: this was the mods doing, not a scumbuddy

[OnTheMark]

No.

I have seen moderators beg scum to stay in after being caught. And have replaced into many people have bailed from.

It’s not alignment indicative.

[Mathdino]

Except he hasn't been caught, and it's not in muffins nature to replace out to avoid getting scumlynched. Get to know his playstyle a bit.

In a bayesian sense, almost everything is alignment indicative. This proves it wasn't a AtE fake replace out, which was what I was afraid of.

[Pine]

Alisae was wise to bail out when e did.

There is no situation where this game ends with people not hating each other more.

[OnTheMark]

I have no desire to learn muffin’s “playstyle” if it’s insult everyone who disagrees with him.

If that is ‘town’ him I don’t give a fuck. I would play with a thousand people of my skill level divided by 314 because there would be a mutual level of respect and lose every game there is then play with someone that insults people.

[Nahdia]

IDK why yall are so on edge this game. Sorry if I'm being insensitive but I haven't seen anyone cross any lines, really.

I haven't been posting much because I feel like I'll just be repeating the same thing over and over; that I still want to lynch Pine/Not_Mafia because I've gotten scum feelings from both slots. I haven't really been contributing to the conversations going on meanwhile because, I dunno, I don't feel like I have anything in particular to add. I'm pretty much behind what Muffin and MathDino are saying these last few pages.

[OnTheMark]

.....Really?

No one has crossed any lines???

Really?!?!?!?!

I am really tempted to just replace out too except for my prior reasoning as to why.

There were definitely lines crossed here and I am doing my damndest not to explode in anger at every post I write and shit like that doesn’t help.

[Pine]

Lines were crossed.

[chamber]

VOTECOUNT 2.12

Not_Mafia [4]

- Nahdia, Mathdino, Lovebird, Pine

Lovebird [2]

- Lady LambdaDelta, Not_Mafia

zMuffinMan [2]

- NicoRobin, OnTheMark

Lady Lambdadelta [1]

- zMuffinMan

Not Voting [1]:

mastina

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
You have (expired on 2018-06-04 18:00:00) to do so.

[OnTheMark]

Be sure to give LLD time to hammer vote as she had stuff she wanted to do. I will hammer at deadline if she doesn’t so we have a lynch.

Still think this is silly.

[zMuffinMan]

Lines were crossed.

you know what? i will say i'm legitimately sorry. i've been reminded that you're a new parent and probably aren't having the easiest time IRL anyway

so

sorry

but i'll try to explain where i'm coming from. i'm not trying to make excuses. i'm just helping you to understand my mindset

Spoiler:

the number one thing i hate coming from anyone in a game is a veiled i-know-better-than-you attitude and when you posted 4644 in response to me pointing out there isn't a guilty (which there isn't, but LLD should confirm this anyway so there's no confusion), i responded by questioning your competence. from my POV, it was the latest in a long series of things you've done in this game that were bugging me (the rest of which should be clear by now)

when i insult a player in game, it's strictly to do with their play. i don't make character judgements and none of my insults are actually personal. i will call something in game stupid if i think it's stupid. i will tell someone i think they're bad at mafia if i see things that i think are a good indication that they're bad at mafia. none of this relates to how i feel about a person personally (and, frankly, i don't have any issues with you, even if you dislike my play or think i've been an asshole here)

i try not to initiate things like this for no reason. at least from my perspective. i entered the game with no ill intent. but after seeing mathblade's "reaction test" (which i honestly think will never catch any decent scum player so is utterly pointless and adds nothing to the game over just asking them to confirm public information) and seeing that he wouldn't drop it (even though i asked him to), i got fed up and decided to openly mock him for it by claiming everything but my role. what left me surprised is that you actually thought that was me seriously denying the role. and then you said that i denied the role and i asked a question to clarify what you meant and you took that as a sign that i was confused about the self-janitor thing and therefore lying. i was confused why anyone would think that i had denied it. i didn't. i said "flipless miller" is not my fake-claim and refused to answer what i thought was a dumb question because mathblade needlessly added the "miller" part and i didn't think it warranted a serious response. that will never catch scum. ever. any scum who gets asked to claim immediately after replacing in is going to read their predecessor's ISO. that will never catch anyone ever unless they're just really new at the game or something... so when you took what i thought was obviously said in jest seriously, i probably started making it clear that i didn't have a positive opinion of what you were doing. i'm not going to say it was a good thing or that i should have done it; i am just someone who has a low tolerance level for things i deem bad play and that probably surfaces a lot more than i'd like it to

i probably should have just played it straight and answered the question. but what i said about it (that i think it's insulting to actually think that could catch anyone) is true and i have zero respect for anyone as a player who thinks that sort of thing would work, let alone on seasoned scum. there was no fucking reason whatsoever to add the "miller" part to the question. that's what i took issue with and that's why i never gave him a serious response after i asked him to drop it

still, i tried to ignore that and get into the game (which wasn't helped by the fact that any time i asked people for reads and explanations, or claims, or anything like that, i was met with silence apart from a couple players). and i wasn't trying to start any fights. but every time that whole "caught in a lie" thing was brought up, my attitude about it probably became readily apparent (until i just couldn't be bothered dealing with it anymore and asked the mod to replace out). and i probably should have just refused chamber's request to stay in the game. i didn't want to play because i figured i'd act like this if i kept reading more of the same "caught in a lie" crap. and the fact that you think i said that because you disagreed with me just added more fuel to the fire that was already lit in me

you probably don't see eye to eye with me on what constitutes an insult and maybe you think i crossed some line even prior to recent posts. you probably don't think that what you said to me in 4644 was bad in any way or that your general attitude towards things i've been saying in this game has been bugging me. that's fine. i expect a lot of players will probably agree with you and disagree with my philosophy. i'm just letting you know how i think and why i draw a distinct line between game-related content and actual personal attacks and why i took issue with certain things that you've said in this game and thus responded with what i thought was an appropriate response to what i perceived as veiled condescension. i certainly could have handled things better than i did in this game, though. but i genuinely did not come into this trying to start shit

if you feel i went overboard, then sorry. i get carried away sometimes. it's easy for me to differentiate attacks on play or how someone plays the game and attacks on a person, but i can understand the idea that you might take issue with, for example, me calling you 'stupid' for wanting to lynch a flipless player. i didn't mean that you're a stupid person in general; i was strictly referring to the play. i do think that's just bad play, even if for some reason you think i'm lying (and i honestly don't know why anyone would assume my predecessors would do that, even if they were scum) and i'm generally not one to shy away from being explicit over using euphemisms (so i tend to say something is stupid over calling it something like 'not ideal'). but i'll probably just try to avoid talking about things like that in future altogether instead of calling it stupid. though it's probably going to be a conscious effort and i don't expect i'll be able to hold back altogether

and i am genuinely sorry that i've made the game less fun for you (most of the stuff i say is spur-of-the-moment stuff that shouldn't be taken seriously and i have a tendency to not put much forethought into how negative things i say might affect enjoyment, even though that might not make much sense). hopefully this gives you at least a little insight into where my posts come from and why i thought i was just responding in kind, even if you didn't perceive it that way and why i wasn't actually trying to make it personal

anyway, this is probably a bunch of rambling since i was just writing out thoughts as they came to me, but i will make an active effort to refrain from doing the sorts of things i've done in this game from now on

[Pine]

Yeah, I had a whole rant written which tl;dr was 'apology not accepted.' That doesn't need to see the light of day.

You made things really personal, really inappropriately. This has nothing to do with being a parent or not. We're interpreting things differently, and that is not an excuse for spending almost a full page multiposting about how the person you disagree with is incompetent. That's way beyond the pale of an in-the-moment "stop being stupid."

So fine. We both said and did some stuff that we thought was within the realm of an adversarial social game, but the other thought crossed a line. This doesn't really bear litigation, so I want to let it go.

I'd like to move on from this and just forget it ever happened. Clean slate, deal?

[zMuffinMan]

sure

though fwiw, what happened was i got home from work, took a nap because i needed one, woke up, saw you suggesting that what i said was simply because you disagreed with me (which just wasnt true), then went on a rant

for me, that

was

all an in-the-moment reaction (or felt like it) though it ended up spanning about 40 minutes because i was responding to LLD, reading things (which happened to involve posts from you), remembering i was pissed off and coming back to it

also i wasnt saying you crossed a line, per se. nothing is sacred or off limits to me but i tend to respond to what i perceive as a negative attitude with a negative attitude in turn

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: LLD

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Be sure to give LLD time to hammer vote as she had stuff she wanted to do. I will hammer at deadline if she doesn’t so we have a lynch.

Still think this is silly.

If I have to fucking vote N_M

and am not allowed to use my fucking ability

because people decided they were going to go crazy

I'm going to quit.

[OnTheMark]

Sorry I misunderstood.

I thought you had to hammer.

You good for day to end and setup?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Sorry I misunderstood.

I thought you had to hammer.

You good for day to end and setup?

How...

how the fuck would you think this

I go out of my way to hold my vote

and then ask people "hey should I vote Lovebird or Nahdia?"

and you think I need to... hammer

[OnTheMark]

I didn’t ask that?

Whatever

The point is are you set?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I ASKED THAT YOU FUCKING BLIND BAT

[OnTheMark]

If you’re good I will hammer

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Not_Mafia [4] - Nahdia, Mathdino, Lovebird, Pine
Lovebird [2] - Lady LambdaDelta, Not_Mafia
zMuffinMan [2] - NicoRobin, OnTheMark
Lady Lambdadelta [1] - zMuffinMan

How

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How are you gonna hammer?

[OnTheMark]

How are you gonna hammer?

Voting Not Mafia

We need a lynch

I disagree with it but it’s better than none

[OnTheMark]

Great...

We need one more too fuck I can’t do math while working

[Lady Lambdadelta]

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.