Mini Normal 2012: Tropical Mafia [Endgame]

[JarJarDrinks]

might as well let shosh claim if she wants

intent to hammer

[JarJarDrinks]

BBT claimed Loyal Fruit Vendor and claims to have given Shoshin fruit which Shoshin says she didn't receive.

So Shoshin is guilty or BBT got blocked. Which is more likely? Has BBT been solidly present on D1?

Doesn't even consider that BBT could be scum.

[JarJarDrinks]

Ditto Tex. Where's the townie paranoia that BBT is scum fake-claiming?

I wasn't role-blocked. I don't think I would have been high on scum's priority list after my D1.

I had to look up Loyal in the wiki. It says that if you target scum, it will be the same as if you were role-blocked. So either someone else has your pear and could confirm the redirection, or you were role-blocked, or your pear went to scum, either Shoshin or redirected to scum. Ugh.

[texcat]

Ditto Tex. Where's the townie paranoia that BBT is scum fake-claiming?

I wasn't role-blocked. I don't think I would have been high on scum's priority list after my D1.

I had to look up Loyal in the wiki. It says that if you target scum, it will be the same as if you were role-blocked. So either someone else has your pear and could confirm the redirection, or you were role-blocked, or your pear went to scum, either Shoshin or redirected to scum. Ugh.

You could infer some level of paranoia by the fact that I went to look up Loyal in the wiki to fact check his claim, but in fact, I never could see any scum motivation for a fake claim by scum!BBT. He was one of my first town reads and the claim solidified that read.

[Shoshin]

I'm vanilla. Claim won't make a difference.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Shoshin

[JarJarDrinks]

No twilight talk?

[Shoshin]

Well, I'm town. So... you might want to start reevaluating.

[JarJarDrinks]

Well, I'm town. So... you might want to start reevaluating.

If this is really true then scum has a roleblocker and bacy is probably lying. And it makes dredd look even worse then he already does.

[Shoshin]

Yeah, that's what I was saying about bacy... But it's impossible to say either way. Mumble/Gustavo aren't clear either. And you need to look at Havo and HF. This game is going to be rough to figure out. If someone wanted to work with me while I was alive maybe we could have gotten somewhere, but at this point not much to say.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

BBT claimed Loyal Fruit Vendor and claims to have given Shoshin fruit which Shoshin says she didn't receive.

So Shoshin is guilty or BBT got blocked. Which is more likely? Has BBT been solidly present on D1?

Doesn't even consider that BBT could be scum.

Did I really not say anything? Maybe I had the conversation in my head and not in thread?

Scum!BBT faking a guilty through a fruit vendor role is ridiculous. HE WOULD HAVE HAD TO PROVE HIS ROLE THE NEXT NIGHT OR GET LYNCHED.

So, it the ONLY way BBT could have been scum is WITH SHOSHIN. Now why would SHOSHIN DENY RECEIVING FRUIT in that situation? It implicated at least one of the two. No too bright a move either.

However, Shoshin could be scum with Town!BBT. Either that or BBT GOT ROLEBLOCKED.

If you can't go threw this very simple logic then I don't know what to say to you.

[JarJarDrinks]

then why did u vote for BBT shortly after? Was my case that convincing ?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

then why did u vote for BBT shortly after? Was my case that convincing ?

You do have a way of stating your cases, yes.

[bacy]

Well, I'm town. So... you might want to start reevaluating.

If this is really true then scum has a roleblocker and bacy is probably lying. And it makes dredd look even worse then he already does.

i'm definitely not, just wanna let that sink in before tomorrow if shosh actually flips town....
and if that's the case, you really think scum would rb and kill the same person?

[Shoshin]

Why would scum let BBT give fruit to someone else?

[Shoshin]

Your townread on Havo also makes no sense. I can't figure it out.

[Shoshin]

HF's total lack of engagement with the game is also pretty concerning at this point.

[Shoshin]

I also think Mumble/Gustavo had way too much certainty that I'd flip scum - could just be the way they speak but it really doesn't make sense - like, they didn't even want me posting anything because my posts were made from the only perspective I know, a town one. It's like every time I posted, it was so obvious to them that I was town that they needed to shut me up, lest I didn't get mislynched...

[Shoshin]

There's reasons to suspect most the players in the game, so I dunno, hopefully the townies left figure this out and don't get led astray by the scum. Scum are definitely going to be working together to lead a mislynch tomorrow.

[Shoshin]

Like, look closely at the sequence of posts on page 44 - why would townies try to shut me up? why would my town-based analysis bother them so much?

[Shoshin]

And then there's HF, just allowing town to mislynch without saying much along the way... game state is pretty fucked with so many potential reasons to suspect players and very few reasosn to town read anyone.

[Gustavo]

I also think Mumble/Gustavo had way too much certainty that I'd flip scum - could just be the way they speak but it really doesn't make sense - like, they didn't even want me posting anything because my posts were made from the only perspective I know, a town one. It's like every time I posted, it was so obvious to them that I was town that they needed to shut me up, lest I didn't get mislynched...

That’s a misrep. I wasn’t trying to shut you up. You said it was clear what had happened but it wasn’t. Nobody stopped you from analyzing the game. There is the ability to ignore people.

[Shoshin]

I also think Mumble/Gustavo had way too much certainty that I'd flip scum - could just be the way they speak but it really doesn't make sense - like, they didn't even want me posting anything because my posts were made from the only perspective I know, a town one. It's like every time I posted, it was so obvious to them that I was town that they needed to shut me up, lest I didn't get mislynched...

That’s a misrep. I wasn’t trying to shut you up. You said it was clear what had happened but it wasn’t. Nobody stopped you from analyzing the game. There is the ability to ignore people.

Im not misrepping anything and that's going to be obvious when I flip town - my intent is 100% in good faith to interpret what I can from your posts. This is what I'm seeing:

It's clear at this point that scum blocked BBT on N1, so that's something to think about.

Or the more realistic explanation is that you are actually scum and that’s why you didn’t get the fruit.

Telling me that I'm scum isn't doing anything. Like, what's the point of making this post?

Trying to trick people into thinking you are cleared isn’t analyzing the game.

I state clearly that I'm trying to analyze the game from the only perspective I know. You respond by basically telling me that I shouldn't be doing what I'm doing - analyzying - because any attempts to analyze imply I'm town... How is this not trying to shut me up?

Wtf? I'm providing you with the best analysis I can, based on the information available to me.

Alternative facts is what you are coming up with. The truth is you are scum trying to stall your lynch.

Again, you are clearly bothered by the fact that I'm analyzing the game from a town perspective. What's the point of this post if not to discredit me and get me to stop trying to analyze anything?

You can ignore my posts, then. But I'm gonna keep trying to figure this out.

Fine but you can at least cut out the omgus nonsense.

OMGUS? What OMGUS? The interaction started with me simply pointing out that scum have a roleblocker and you telling me that I'm "tricking" people, lol...

Explain what your puspose was in these posts.

[Shoshin]

Mumble obviously didn't like it when I started analyzing things:

It looks like everyone has shown up, and we're not going to get any forward progress until we have a scumflip...can we just lynch Shoshin now?

No...you're are trying to muddy up the gamestate. That's why I want your lynch sooner rather than later.

I'm muddying up the game state by posting from a town perspective? He wants me to stop posting, clearly.

[Shoshin]

I mean, maybe these guys are just incredibly pro-scum townies. It's possible. Who knows?