mini 2013: the chorus of i'll call b4 i cum mafia (all done)

[Tchill13]

Yes I remember the event. Don't think I'll forget it any time soon. I do believe avoiding conflict is generally more dangerous than pursuing it. Scum have reasons for avoiding conflict. Town do not. It helps town solve the game. Scum don't get any help from conflict unless it's conflict that doesn't involve scum. Even then though smart townies can get correct reads off TvT conflicts. So if you're avoiding conflict altogether it's scummy imo.

[Tchill13]

Kokichi fits into the "just push one read forever" scum category though...

Dunn trying to push me after there's other wagons that can be pushed almost gives me a towny vibe from him... Almost. Seeing how that's a path of more resistance and there's really no need for scum to do that atm.

[SIV36]

machiavellian behaviour.

I wish I was this clever...
I'm liking that your reads are chopping and changing at a rapid pace but with clear trajectory, I think that's a major towntell IME. But that's not a good vote, don't overthink things til you see phantoms that aren't there.

I pushed the profii wagon early because he was scummier than anyone else coming out of RVS. Last time my gut told me profii was scum I talked myself out of it too quick (and turns out I was right.) the profii wagon was solid gold fmpov and there was a lot of value in me pressuring him itt. If you disagree, let me know why.

Now the next question. Do you think my questions and cheeky shade throws are specifically angling towards a mislynch, or intended to force people to produce more content?

You've done some meta reading; this is my highly iconic d1 townplay. I'm not so great at scum. Hmu if you want some recommended reading.

To me, it does seem like you are angling towards a mislynch sometimes, yes. I haven't done any meta-reading on you. I'm sorry for the machiavellian comment, which I'd find harsh if someone called me. It's strange that you wish you are cunning when you'd want to be seen as a town.

[profii]

Yes I remember the event. Don't think I'll forget it any time soon. I do believe avoiding conflict is generally more dangerous than pursuing it. Scum have reasons for avoiding conflict. Town do not. It helps town solve the game. Scum don't get any help from conflict unless it's conflict that doesn't involve scum. Even then though smart townies can get correct reads off TvT conflicts. So if you're avoiding conflict altogether it's scummy imo.

it has to be controlled otherwise it destroys trust between 2 towns.

[SIV36]

I'm also trying to avoid conflict. Although I do agree it can produce good info.

I'd be happy to join a kokichi wagon. Koki is way more suspicious than theworst.

[MariaR]

What don't you like about em Sivy

[profii]

i thought i didnt have any experience of town!koki, but i just remembered i do ...

if anyone is bored enough to go through previous games (wiki), i played mafia month with town!koki and he did not do this hard push thing
i played one shot mafia with scum!koki where he did towards the end on a alleged result to win.

so it seems logical to assume this is scum koki

VOTE: koki

[the worst]

problem is when you wagon Koki he becomes town it's super annoying

I'll hammer him though if nothing else within {profiizzle, performer, dunny} is gonna happen

[profii]

that's fine -i'd happily encourage a wagon if he can obv town himself

[MariaR]

VOTE: kokichi
I'd like to see where this goes

[schadd_]

Vote count 1.7

Dunnstral (2):

Azurit, Ruby Red

profii (2):

Kokichi Oma, UnaBombaH

Performer (2):

the worst, LuckyOtter

Kokichi Oma (2):

profii, MariaR

SIV36 (1):

Performer

Azurit (1):

yeasayer

Tchill13 (1):

Dunnstral

the worst (1):

SIV36

not voting (1):

Tchill13

with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends june 11 at 02:00 central US time; in (expired on 2018-06-11 02:00:00)

mod notes

• prodding yeasayer and performer
  
• i'll call b4 i cum, i won't just top over out the blue (oooooo)

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[Performer]

Not sure why the host didn’t put my v/la in the votecount updates….I plan to be v/la for every weekend. Anyway, I’ll address specific questions and general wondering regarding me, all as one post. I’m not into posting streams and streams of wall posts, since I do a lot of phone posting rather than computer posting.

The people I don’t see myself voting or lynching up to this point: Lucky, & null slots.
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Worst: he voted prof, he spoke of checking my meta, later says this is his iconic townplay meta in the way he's been posting. All that meta talk just doesn’t sound townie, when combined with his pg 12 interactions with prof & mari (he still has a tr on mari). His continued vote on me is still mystifying, and not in a good way. Yet his scummy behavior to me, I wondered - is this too scummy to be scum? I considered that but no, my read is the same on him. I don't believe this is a case of that slot being too scummy to be scum. What's worrisome to me is nobody seems to believes me, but I don't like sitting my vote on a slot for this long when there are other productive cases. Mentioning the wagoning on koki by saying he doesn't want to go that route because he can get very annoying if town... what in the world? That just isn't a good reason.

Dunn: minimalistic post content and not seeing why he thinks tchill has an agenda, that he’s pushing an agenda.

Una: as someone I’ve noticed was an IC before, I find it suspect that he puts out a ton of joke posts. His vote on prof looked like a pressure vote so that’s alright, but his posts are mostly odd. Not a tr. I want to see what he'll post, which he said he'll do by tomorrow.

Lucky:

in terms of why worst over prof at the moment, I believe I explained why already about that. Also, what questions from 170? Sorry if I missed them but I don’t recall questions that needed answering anymore, as I believe I already addressed them. I believed Lucky's thought process to be from town on his page 7 post & based on pgs 7-8 interactions with Siv, I voted Siv and at the time, Lucky was my only tr iirc. Still had worst as an sr but leaving my vote on him and no one voting that, was getting us nowhere, so we needed more productive pressure. Later Lucky votes me because I didn’t answer him…? An odd progression but I can see town doing this, I’ve done something like this before too, so I wouldn’t say that’s scummy. My tr on him stays the same. Bringing up una’s “lurking” so that he should be wagoned, makes absolutely no sense. Being on v/la is NAI, otherwise Mari, Una, and I would be widely sr. The question of “if scum, what does siv benefit from giving mari a tr,” to that I’m saying that I didn’t have a tr on mari from the way she’s posting (scummy), so the fact that he did a tr on her just sounds fabricated. How it benefits him in the end, is anybody’s guess – we’d have to ask the scum team that. Why would siv tr mari anyway at that point?

Tchill:

nothing stood out in my skim about this slot so I put him as null. Voted prof, then me, later voted Dunn. Has reasonable posts here and there, but one of them that’s just plain eye opening was how he thought Siv was doing decent work at that point on pg 9.

Yeasayer: forgot this guy was even in this game anymore. Looking at his ISO, it’s been half a day phase & by now, he should’ve input a little more, is my expectation. Siv mentioned he got a strong feeling this slot was interested in game solving…but they were only what, 3 light posts in? Definitely getting more suspect about this slot.

Ruby:

null. About the same as my thoughts on Tchill.

Mari: posts song lyrics and makes a few substantial posts, like the back to back ones regarding her Siv & Dunn votes. I love songs too but the ISO look largely fluff, such as the super bare pg 11 post only about worst being null, and asking others for content.

Azurit: suspicion on this slot has maintained, there's no progression for me about this slot from their posts. Azurit, readslist?

Koki: either he’s being threatened to treat prof as the biggest scum of the Earth, or he has the strongest gut feel ever regarding prof, because he has focused on him for all day. Mentioned getting night protection from pr, which raised my eyebrows as I mentioned before.

Prof:

first wagon of the day but 1st two votes didn’t even look serious. Throughout the day my read on him has wavered multiple times from town mislynch to scummy, and back and forth. When I got to pgs 12-13, my read on him changed to tr. I can agree with what he & tchill brought up regarding koki, which is why I'll
VOTE: Kokichi

Siv: what further is suspect is how he read Azur’s rvs posting as awkward town. In rvs, isn’t the purpose supposed to be mostly if not completely fake?? Like if I claimed 1-shot commuter in rvs and voted myself in the 1st post of the game, that’s an rvs case. Bringing up that mafia used to bring up meta talk can be suspicious, yes, but it’s if they have recent meta, they can post about that to manipulate. I don’t even have any recent meta, so Siv calling me mafia because of meta - suspicious. It looks he twisted my words. Out of thing air, he added me to his tr list, which I honestly have no clue why.

[SIV36]

What don't you like about em Sivy

Conflict or Koki?

In the last game I played, Maestro continually had only one read the whole game. He was bound on getting virtuoso lynched. That was his only care. He was also really hard to put up with, and him and I had a blow out. Fights are uncomfortable, even if it isn't face-to face. It also makes the game awkward. He ended up being mafia.

Koki is doing the one read thing too. I wonder if it's a mafia thing?

VOTE: Kokichi Oma

[MariaR]

I think what kokichi is doing is mostly NAI it would depend on pro's flip for me to get a read but I don't mind wagoning him for the sake of a wagon

[Tchill13]

VOTE: kokichi

L-2

[Performer]

*off topic:

"He was also really hard to put up with, and him and I had a blow out. Fights are uncomfortable, even if it isn't face-to face. It also makes the game awkward. "
Yeah I know what you mean. In my early days here a few years back, when I was still relatively new, I had a few very bad tunnels going on against certain slots, and a few of those interactions ended up just plain ridiculous by the end of the game. Ever since then, I've gotten better at treating this moreso as a friendly game, hence my profile.
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"but I don't mind wagoning him for the sake of a wagon"
Wagoning is good.

[SIV36]

Siv: what further is suspect is how he read Azur’s rvs posting as awkward town. In rvs, isn’t the purpose supposed to be mostly if not completely fake??

She was playing strange because she went right into serious interrogations right from the day started. But then Azurit was questioned about that, she stated that she was used to playing mafia games where the days are actually just one real day. I believed this when I read it.

I don’t even have any recent meta, so Siv calling me mafia because of meta - suspicious. It looks he twisted my words. Out of thing air, he added me to his tr list, which I honestly have no clue why.

212. When I said that, I was thinking out loud. Sorry, but I was reading everything looking for any confirmation to be suspicious, and I got over-zealous. Add to that, I wasn't reading in-depth. You merely pinged me a little then, (I agree, bad reasons) it was hardly anything important to be stated, but I stated it.

After rereading the game, I changed my mind. You clearly don't seem to have any other intention except trying to figure out the game. I can pick any random statement you made, and it's geared towards game-solving. Even if you're able to do all that as mafia, you deserve to continue to at least d2.

[SIV36]

it would depend on pro's flip for me to get a read

C...
...
...Can...

...Can I ask for elaboration?

[MariaR]

Awww kawaii~
How can I say no to you! I would want to see how Kokichi handles Pros flip and his reactions to said flip and I'd be able to get a lock read on him. I don't really care that he's at L-2 atm I want to see what he does and it doesn't really matter if he knows it.
Go back to being obv town toast friend you've played your part in the show. Let the others dance a little

[Kokichi Oma]

Kokichi fits into the "just push one read forever" scum category though...

This also fits into posturing category but what do I know

[Kokichi Oma]

Ok I'm day cop. I have a guilty on profil

[profii]

Nope

[profii]

Guess I’m the nominated scum kill when we lynch you Koki

[Tchill13]

VOTE: profii

that'd be too stupid for scum d1. waaaay too stupid. trading a townie for scum is fine especially day 1. So now either profii or kokichi is scum. I can't see kokichi being that stupid as scum.

[profii]

Tchill

There is mod declared no cops. It was a joke by koki