Mini Normal 2015 - Lab Rat Mafia - Finished

[Psyche]

Vote Count

Espeonage (4) - Performer, Tommy Egan, Creature, joral
ByronVilla (3) - Kublai Khan, Hopkirk, Ircher
PenguinPower (2) - Golden Robster, Espeonage
Kublai Khan (1) - PenguinPower
joral (1) - UnrealSeal
Not_Mafia (0) -
UnrealSeal (0) -
Golden Robster (0) -
Creature (0) -
Tommy Egan (0) -
Performer (0) -
Ircher (0) -
Hopkirk (0) -
Not Voting (1) - Not_Mafia, ByronVilla

With 13 players alive, it will take 7 to lynch.

The deadline is June 15, 2018, at 3:00 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2018-06-15 15:00:00).

Let me know if you see any issues...

[Performer]

Pg 4 : I've played with creature when he was town before, but it was two years ago. I'd trust tom and especially ircher on reading him , if it's meta you need.

[Performer]

joral, what do you think about PP doing absolutely nothing?

I don't think so. Pp was trying to get wagons going at the very start, and that's a great way to move the game.

VOTE: creature

[Creature]

Oh right, your avatar says it.

[Creature]

tbh I don't see any players here who played well enough to be able to flawlessly read me.

[Creature]

There's at most Ircher who I probably didn't play with since early 2017.

[Performer]

Pg 6-7 make me like joral for another tr due to how he's thinking things through. Esp looks suspicious for the way he's posting on pg 7, without substance. As far as I recall, esp and nm play scum similarly - without much substance and lurking a lot.

Creature, you're right about my avatar. Kublai, esp, nm, and creature look suspicious so far, and we need a better wagon than creature after seeing the vc .

[Performer]

VOTE: espeonage

[Performer]

I believe that's L-1. @ esp

[Creature]

Kublai, esp, nm, and creature look suspicious so far

Too many scum. Check your variables.

[UnrealSeal]

Can you elaborate on your Bryon read?

He seems to want to keep town together, as evidenced by the fact that he's oppossing Khan's more condescending posts, although that could be me reading too much into something that's NAI, but furthermore I thought his 144 was pretty good and his 122 looked to move things along.

@TommyEgan, I can see how my 168 looks scummy combined with my 69. I didn't get a chance to explain why I thought Espe and Golden had good posts due to IRL factors that limited my time. Also 4 pages was a lot at the time because I was wrapping up academic stuff. Now that it's over, I can dedicate myself to this game more.

I agreed with Espeonage's first post because Penguin did seem somewhat adamant about only those two wagons. Shallow, I know, but keep in mind I only said it was a good post, not that I was shouting "confirmed town" or anything. Golden Robster's post gave good analysis and although in the end it didn't really move RVS along all too much, it does at least show he's looking for scum motives.

I'd also like to rebuke at you that if I'm sus for blindly agreeing with Espeonage why do you also not have sus on PP for also blindly agreeing with Espe?

Why do you want to force only two wagons?

Great first post btw.

He said nothing more than this for a while. (this is not to say I scumlean PP or anything, simply a question for Tommy)

[Kublai Khan]

Kublai's interaction with ircher is suspicious. I saw ircher's answer as a townie train of thinking.

Neat. I'm suspicious for noting a townie train of thinking, but you're not for doing the literal exact same thing? I'm feeling the shade you're throwing.

tbh I don't see any players here who played well enough to be able to flawlessly read me.

I'm not sure why "who can read Creature?" has been such a reoccurring topic? Nobody else can claim to be read flawlessly, why is everyone worried about Creature?

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I'm not feeling the Espeonage wagon, but I'm glad it formed. There's likely from opportunist scum on there. The first three votes are fine, but joral's justification for his vote is just silly and Performer's clumsy "you're at L-1" gambit is transparently bad (there's a vote count on the same page 8 posts up, dude).

[ByronVilla]

Yeah I don't really get why everyone jumped on Espeonage. I mean sure they haven't been the most active so far and haven't given a lot of detail, but so have a lot of people at this point. There's no need to have 5 people on them right now when you could be pressuring other areas, and speaking of that...

VOTE: Creature

My bad vibes that I was on about before that I were feeling were from a frustrated town have turned a lot more in the scummy direction. This post in particular really pings me as an almost OMGUS play on the whole town:

tbh I don't see any players here who played well enough to be able to flawlessly read me.

Haven't liked his play so far, as it feels like he's caused a lot more disruption than contribution to the discussions at hand through off-handed comments and a lack of any real content to his posts. (The man hasn't even made a post consisting of more than two lines of his own)

[Ircher]

Day 1 Espeonage ISO

:
1. In 50:

Why do you want to force only two wagons?

No comments on this for now.

2. In 55:

Huh. Fair.
Put a vote on me or Kublai in the meantime?

Would you say this isn't trying to force people in to only two wagons?

Why do you jump to the conclusion that Penguin is

forcing

people to be on only one of two wagons?

3. In 56:

Why do you want to force only two wagons?

Great first post btw.

.............

4. In 87:

Vote PP

This vote doesn't really make sense...............

5. In 150:

Nah I was annoyed at PP. And then decided to vote him for being mafia.

How is Penguin mafia?

6. In 152[/url]:

I haven't been reading. There's quote chains so I skipped the pages except on a skim.

Please actually take the time to play the game. Skipping quote chains isn't acceptable.

7. In [post]154:

Town: Me
Scum: PP

That's it?

8. In 161:

I ain't read, what you want me to say

........................Please explain how this comes from a town mindset, especially considering that the game isn't that big.

9. In 167:

Bruh.

(...)

[Ircher]

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Spoiler: Reads

Confirmed Town

(From my perspective) (98%-100% Confidence)
Ircher (100%) - Role PM

Likely Town

(85%-97% Confidence)

Leaning Town

(60%-84% Confidence)

Null

(0% - 30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)

UnrealSeal

(+28%) - Overall, I feel like he is being genuine, especially in posts like 164 (even if I disagree with what that particular post says from a philosophy standpoint). That said, there really isn't enough to get a good read on this slot at the moment.

Joral

(+8%) - 143 is a decent post, but I feel it may be a bit on the shallow side. 155 also feels like a very shallow read. Overall, I'm not sure what to say about this slot's alignment.

Not_Mafia

(-1%) - Useless as he always is. (Jk, but there is nothing to read him on so far.)

Creature

(-15%) - To be honest, I'm not sure how reliable my meta would be with Creature given the fact that playstyles change over time, and I haven't really recently played with Creature. That said, a lot of his posts just feel like him pretending to be busy, and I am currently under the impression that Creature is trying to manipulate his playstyle to be less obvious. On the other hand, I feel like Creature has a (genuine) vested interest in this game, and that could be used as an argument for town!Creature. Overall, I want to give this slot some time; he could be scum, or he could be town, but there is not enough to say which it is at the moment. (Oh, and I would like to add that Creature's meta isn't simply a matter of activity; you gotta think a little deeper than that.)

Neutral

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read)

Tommy Egan

(+55%) - I really like their posts and their engagement in the game. It is not just a single post here or there that feels town;

all

of his posts feel town (and not in the forced/scummy LAMIST way).

Hopkirk

(+40%) - His posts seem neither excessive nor minimal, and I kinda like the general direction he is thinking in.

Golden Robster

(+38%) - I like 68 and 75. On the other hand, I dislike 151 (Golden Robster has not given too much in reads themselves) and especially 156 (it seems too accusatory to me). That said, they are asking many questions, and I feel most of them are meaningful.

Kublai Khan

(+31%) - Despite the fact that he feels he is right about everything, I don't see anything that makes me believe he is scum. On the contrary, I think most of his posts help move the game forward, which is a good thing. I am confused though by the first part of 186 where Kublai is complaining to Performer; I feel like Kublai is misinterpreting Performer's post because I think Performer was referring to the interaction between Kublai and me around 59 or so. The only other thing to note is the early Penguin and Kublai interactions; I find it on the weird side, and I will leave it at that.

PenguinPower

(-31%) - His interactions with Kublai were weird, and I'll leave them at that. 54 feels strange: Penguin finds Espeonage's post to be great, yet Penguin did not (at least, I presume that he not) think that he was forcing Creature (and others) to choose between one of two wagons. Like, what is great about the post? 65 just seems strange and too much on the shady side of things. Then, as a whole, the ISO just feels... off..., so I'm not sure if this is just more the way Penguin plays or if Penguin is playing some kind of weird scum theatrics right now. (That probably isn't the correct use of terminology, but whatever.)

Performer

(-35%) - His posts start off fine; like, I have no issues with 172 or 173. But then we have posts like 177, 181, 182, and 183, which just seem off and are in some ways bad. I remember playing at least one game with Performer though it was a long time ago (like back when I joined), and I have a feeling they are a better town player (granted, I don't know their scum meta) than what I've seen so far. Maybe it is inexperience, maybe it is a new site culture, but something feels off about this slot.

Espeonage

(-40%) - Espeonage claims they have not been reading the thread, but I am not sure that is true considering they seemed to respond to things directed at them. That aside, I get the impression that Espeonage does not want to read the thread and that intrigues me.

ByronVilla

(-55%) - 70 is bad. The "this Khan wagon is picking up steam..." comment in 118 feels off. 122 reads as frustration, but I don't think it is highly indicative of Byron's alignment. Then we had the useless 129 where Byron

looks

like he is doing things. If you want my honest and biased opinion (of course you do), 144 feels like the "Oh, now that people are pointing out things that are wrong with my posts, I feel like I gotta start addressing them." To clarify, the post just doesn't feel very genuine. That's probably a bad explanation too. It just does not feel like town defending themselves, but rather, it feels like scum defending themselves. 187 also for whatever reason feels like a scum-motivated post. It starts off with "Yeah, I don't really get why everyone jumped on Espeonage" which just feels like Byron knows Espeonage is town, and he ends the post with "The man hasn't even made a post consisting of more than two lines of his own" which makes no sense in terms of scumreading a person.

Leaning Scum

(60%-75% Confidence)

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Likely Scum

(76%-100% Confidence)

Spoiler: How to read this readslist

Players are placed in different sections based on my confidence in the read expressed as a percentage. A positive percentage indicates that I leans towards town on a player whereas a negative percentage indicates I lean towards scum on a player. Please note that the Null an Neutral sections contain both townreads and scumreads and you must look a the sign of the percentage in parenthesis to determine which way I lean.

Confidence ratings are rough estimates and are relative to one another. In addition, they tend to be scored on a logarithmic scale versus a linear scale; in other words, the difference between 0% and 30% tends to be greater than ther difference between 30% and 60%.

[Espeonage]

I'm skimming. I'm not negligent.

[PenguinPower]

PenguinPower (-31%) - His interactions with Kublai were weird, and I'll leave them at that. 54 feels strange: Penguin finds Espeonage's post to be great, yet Penguin did not (at least, I presume that he not) think that he was forcing Creature (and others) to choose between one of two wagons. Like, what is great about the post? 65 just seems strange and too much on the shady side of things. Then, as a whole, the ISO just feels... off..., so I'm not sure if this is just more the way Penguin plays or if Penguin is playing some kind of weird scum theatrics right now. (That probably isn't the correct use of terminology, but whatever.)

Hi! Busy today, so I'm only going to interact with something substantive (especially since Espeonage is ignoring me).

Do you know the concept of sarcasm? 54 was sarcasm. I'm not sure how you interpreted it differently.

For anyone who has played with me in the past, or cares to research my town meta, I'm a sarcastic ass all of D1...and usually into later days as well, but less so.

Really just wanted to clear up the lack of your understanding re: sarcasm. I'll read through the rest later.

Pretty sure you've played with me before...so...

[PenguinPower]

PenguinPower (-31%) - His interactions with Kublai were weird, and I'll leave them at that. 54 feels strange: Penguin finds Espeonage's post to be great, yet Penguin did not (at least, I presume that he not) think that he was forcing Creature (and others) to choose between one of two wagons. Like, what is great about the post? 65 just seems strange and too much on the shady side of things. Then, as a whole, the ISO just feels... off..., so I'm not sure if this is just more the way Penguin plays or if Penguin is playing some kind of weird scum theatrics right now. (That probably isn't the correct use of terminology, but whatever.)

Hi! Busy today, so I'm only going to interact with something substantive (especially since Espeonage is ignoring me).

Do you know the concept of sarcasm? 54 was sarcasm. I'm not sure how you interpreted it differently.

For anyone who has played with me in the past, or cares to research my town meta, I'm a sarcastic ass all of D1...and usually into later days as well, but less so.

Really just wanted to clear up the lack of your understanding re: sarcasm. I'll read through the rest later.

Pretty sure you've played with me before...so...

[123456789]

Yes, I've played with you, but you aren't that memorable tbh. I also feel like your posts contain more content in them this game than in other games where I've played with you.

[Ircher]

Yes, I've played with you, but you aren't that memorable tbh. I also feel like your posts contain more content in them this game than in other games where I've played with you.

That's mine; sorry.

[UnrealSeal]

@TommyEgan Ignore this question I guess

I'd also like to rebuke at you that if I'm sus for blindly agreeing with Espeonage why do you also not have sus on PP for also blindly agreeing with Espe?

Why do you want to force only two wagons?

Great first post btw.

He said nothing more than this for a while. (this is not to say I scumlean PP or anything, simply a question for Tommy)

Also, Penguin please keep in mind that sarcasm doesn't translate well over the Internet, and especially in a psychological game like Mafia.

[UnrealSeal]

oh I guess I used the wrong tags for that.

[Ircher]

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[spoiler=]Hello[/spoiler]

produces:

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Hello

[UnrealSeal]

Thanks, I forgot to put the =

[Psyche]

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